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Freighter: 6ft waves safe and dry, cruise speed 30 mph in flats, minimum load cap 1500 lb

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Greetings from western Norway
I`m researching for a freighter canoe to be used in the fjords and up rivers here
There is something about the lines on the freighter`s that is just good to the eye and in general if it`s been around for a while it`s normally well functionable
The objectives are set due to our weather conditions.
The sunbreeze comes around 5 o`clock at 6 it can be 4 to 5 foot waves 20-30 feet between intervals, the worst are inland lakes with short intervals.
Cruising speed is set due to distance i would like to travel 50 kilometer per hour (25 knts) on 2/3 throttle
Length prefered 16 - 20 ft Beam at least 47 inches
Maximum hp are set to 50 but as little as possible ofcourse
I used to do a good deal of motor boating and we would say an efficient hull would give 30 knts on 30 hp
So the big question, do anyone know of a freighter that has been buildt that can do this? Or can be modified

Any ideas?
 
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James Bay is a place famous for its sea going freight canoes. Scott used to make a 22ft freighter by this name but no longer it seems. They were traditionally wood canvas canoes. There is an article about freighters on the Canadian Canoe Museum blog. You could get plans and make your own or maybe find someone to make it for you either in wood canvas or wood strip.
 
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I run a 19' Grumman and a 21" Scott Hudson Bay on rivers and lakes in Alaska and Yukon Territory of Canada. I don't know how you can get that speed out of either canoe. I sometimes run a 20 HP outboard weighing 120 pounds on the 21' Scott and maximum speed is about 17 mph with a 1,000 pound load. A larger motor would be too heavy for the back of a canoe.

Yamaha designed a boat to replace the freight canoe for folks at James Bay. This design is very popular in Mexico and central America and is usually called a "panga" in those areas. I've fished from those for years and some owners use motors from 50HP to 90HP. A very durable and fuel efficient vessel.
 
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I run a 19' Grumman and a 21" Scott Hudson Bay on rivers and lakes in Alaska and Yukon Territory of Canada. I don't know how you can get that speed out of either canoe. I sometimes run a 20 HP outboard weighing 120 pounds on the 21' Scott and maximum speed is about 17 mph with a 1,000 pound load. A larger motor would be too heavy for the back of a canoe.

Yamaha designed a boat to replace the freight canoe for folks at James Bay. This design is very popular in Mexico and central America and is usually called a "panga" in those areas. I've fished from those for years and some owners use motors from 50HP to 90HP. A very durable and fuel efficient vessel.
Yes i`ve seen the pangas with a shallow wee, maybe I`ll try to desing a canoe looking panga with a sailrig :)
 
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These people make super freighter canoes, they are used all over northern Canada.

http://nor-west.ca/en/canoe/
Roughly 15 years ago I made a few annual trips to Baffin Island to install and maintain weather stations in the vicinity of Clyde River. The Inuit of Clyde River use these Nor-west freighters on the ocean, and routinely travel between the village and their hunting/fishing camps during the short open water season. They were contracted to transport us up, down and out of the inlets to the install sites. We also travelled out of Clyde inlet and out into Baffin Bay and to the north into another inlet. As "seaworthy" as these boats may (or may not) be, I was scared to death being out on the expanse or Baffin Bay with icebergs and the coast of Greenland 300 miles to the east. We only travelled out to the bay on relatively calm days with very little wind, but the swell was 5 feet. Needless to say, the canoe in these pictures could have been trimmed better.

Mark

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Velkommen! Seems to me if you're looking for more efficiency and speed you would need to go quite a bit longer, perhaps 24'. This could be done by adding stations or extending the length between them without adding to the beam if you can only find plans for a 20'er.
 
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Yes, but as far as i can see until now, there is a few with planing hulls, like AK-Freighter looks rock solid but a low freeboard, Scott Makobe look ok but brittle and low freeboard. There is a thread here with a 20` designed by Tim Mar-someting italian name. He was doing 19 km/hr on a 6 hp. That sounded wery interesing. Maybe i just need to slow down and enjoy the extra time on the water, build som outriggers and a sinkable center keel, a sail rig, put my feet up and live life :) After all 4 knots is a good trolling speed under sail and 19 km/hr with a 6hp is gonna get me somewhere on a very low fuel cost.
 
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Roughly 15 years ago I made a few annual trips to Baffin Island to install and maintain weather stations in the vicinity of Clyde River. The Inuit of Clyde River use these Nor-west freighters on the ocean, and routinely travel between the village and their hunting/fishing camps during the short open water season. They were contracted to transport us up, down and out of the inlets to the install sites. We also travelled out of Clyde inlet and out into Baffin Bay and to the north into another inlet. As "seaworthy" as these boats may (or may not) be, I was scared to death being out on the expanse or Baffin Bay with icebergs and the coast of Greenland 300 miles to the east. We only travelled out to the bay on relatively calm days with very little wind, but the swell was 5 feet. Needless to say, the canoe in these pictures could have been trimmed better.

Mark

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Yes, these are great boats, I am trying to shrink and lighten the 26 footer and flatten 1/3 of the bottom from the aft. Then it should plane with less effort and if it get`s rough I can slow down and use it`s magnificent bow and sterdiness through seas. That said, it must have been guite an expeience up there, it dosent get much more rougher than that place. It has and still does amazes me how native people live in nature with the enviorment in the presence, I am thankfull to this day that i was lucky to serve with one of our nation for 8 months, his way got stuck in me, no need to be told two or three times like in schools, it all made sence. Thank`s for the replay :)
 
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