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What has the world come to? A retail rant

I'll have to go spend some money at my local Wilderness Supply. They let me put up a flyer for my canoes for sale, a fellow saw them and bought one of mine and cancelled the Wenonah he had ordered from them. No commission due for them, they are happy to oblige in things like that since I give them almost exclusive business.
 
NRS sells a heavy duty York box: http://www.nrs.com/product/3058/nrs-...amping-dry-box. Bean carries them too. But, it would be a long drive to Idaho or Maine to purchase at the brick and mortar locations.

Yay.. they are back! its been years and I haven't checked online lately .. nor have been to the Boat bike and ski store ( its a separate store) lately.. Just run into and out of the main store.

Beans is within half an hour. For this I like to touch and thump.. That's a lot of dough.

That's why I like canoe forums.. for more temptation. Be quiet wallet. Tis a good height and is the equivalent of a 45 liter barrel ( the Boulder that is) Might be more user friendly than the barrel in the Monarch.

Yes I know I am lucky or maybe I travel so much I have some of the outdoor stores pegged. I do like REI but in the Utah stores . Not Boston. No REI's in Maine.

Sometimes the best finds are in out of the way places like an extension of Shop n Save ( a grocery store) on Indian Hill in Greenville ME..

They have wonderful camping stuff that is not trendy. I have gotten GSI pots and frypans at half the normal price.
 
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Back in the 1970s I lived in Seattle, and was acquiring a lot of equipment. We used to sleep in front of the main REI store that was 5 stories high to get a shot at the annual sale items. Eddie Bauer sold bamboo fly rods, used guns and down clothes in those days. LL Bean sold bush clothes and equipment. Now all of them sell "sports wear." Clothes for urban weekends walking down to Starbucks.

REI still has some decent equipment. I remember taking my Dad to the new home store and looking at packs. There were 80 of them hanging on the wall, but not one external frame. Dad just walked away shaking his head.

Now I buy a lot of stuff from Cabalas, some from Sportsmen's Warehouse, and a little from companies like Filson, Duluth Packs, etc. Retailing is a moving target. Getting a catalogue in the mail in the old days from REI, Alaska Sleeping Bag Co, or Gander Mountain was a big deal because they had bush equipment and you could learn a lot by reading them.
 
I think these stores are victims of their own success. They started out as niche market stores and grew. As they grew they garnered a bigger and bigger market share and as such have tried to maintain that market share. How could any store succeed on their level only catering to a very fine market of hardcore canoeists or mountaineers or back country Alpine skiiers?

MEC is not a bad store, I am still quite happy with many items they carry. But they are not the go-to niche store for me. The niche market is just that, a niche; small with limited interest. MEC would support many yuppie warriors who prefer style and status to function and durability.

Now I find the items I covet are made by small manufacturers who don't sell in retail stores. My Warbonnet Hammock, the Clik-stand, Ostrom Packs are all examples of those. Think of it like a canoe, you can buy a Coleman at any Canadian Tire or Wal-mart but you can only buy a Langford from Langford, or a Hemlock from Hemlock (I think)

So don't dismiss the MEC's and REI's altogether just don't expect them to be your all in one outdoor store.
/antirant
 
I'll have to go spend some money at my local Wilderness Supply. They let me put up a flyer for my canoes for sale, a fellow saw them and bought one of mine and cancelled the Wenonah he had ordered from them. No commission due for them, they are happy to oblige in things like that since I give them almost exclusive business.


I shan't go in to detail about the problems I had with wilderness Supply a couple of weeks back. Just to say that I spent my Saturday driving between stores to sort out a problem with their staff not labeling reserved items and then not knowing how to operate the computer system that should have held their records. I do like the range of stuff they sell and always take the chance to drop by when I'm in the city but sometimes the kids they employ don't seem to know diddly-squat about anything (maybe that is a problem with yoof in general!)

Used to love dropping by REI on our flights in to the USA from the UK and EMS when we were in the east. Haven't been to Midwest Mountaineering for years but I it was a good store last time we were there and the Duluth Pack store in Duluth, and Piragis in Ely is almost worth the drive down from Manitoba.
 
NRS sells a heavy duty York box: http://www.nrs.com/product/3058/nrs-...amping-dry-box. Bean carries them too. But, it would be a long drive to Idaho or Maine to purchase at the brick and mortar locations.

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Just back from a Bean foray... Freeport is alive with tourists. So while he drove around the block I ran into the boat store at Beans They started carrying the boxes last year and quickly ran out.. There are more this year.. so maybe four big ones and five small ones.
Now the kicker. They are branded NRS.

And made in Canada. Nice maple leaf molded in. You would think they would be at MEC or Wilderness Supply but I don't see it.
 
My son and friend were in a NY and CT REI store recently, looking for odds and ends for their ADK camping week in August.

The would be traditionalist Bush nut was vastly disappointed in the selection of goods and knowledge of the store help... the techno boy picked up a Iphone protector box, declaring 'what a great store'...

Things change but we are running out of places to go! (my son did however get great mileage out of the animation the sales desk showed at the families low member #!)
 
I really can't blame MEC in Toronto for changing its product line. Fewer people seem to canoe camp or hike now. That particular store caters more to cyclists, runners, slack line walkers, and students preparing for backpacking trips in Europe and Asia. As long as the online store carries a good selection, I won't tear up my member card (my low number draws attention from time to time, too, Southcove!).
Times have changed. The Internet permits us to find out about, and seek out the gear we desire from out of the way places. A hammock and tarp from Warbonnet, a used tarp from Cooke Custom Sewing via Harlan in Red Lake, a Bivy bag from Miles Gear in Washington, titanium gadgets from Dutchware in Pennsylvania, Bushbuddy from northern BC or the clone Solostove from the States via somewhere else...don't need a bricks and mortar store for that.
 
I bought my Duluth packs at REI in Anchorage almost 25 years ago and they still carry a lot of gear. I can't blame them for carrying more and more fashionable clothes though. Every time I suggest to my wife that we stop in REI to take a look around I can't find anything I need and she comes home with $200 worth of clothes.
 
I really can't blame MEC in Toronto for changing its product line. Fewer people seem to canoe camp or hike now. T

With due respect Sturgeon, I would disagree with that statement. (but see at the end of this rant where I agree with you! :)). I think its the opposite: more people in the world than ever before canoe, kayak, hike and camp. Its so crowded out there sometimes that parks and trail systems are often jammed up, and provincial parks here have phone and online booking systems, and campsite reservations, etc. There are still parks that have not been discovered by the masses, and you can go days or weeks without seeing anyone, but the trend is more use around the world, not less. We'll see if this trend persists as more and more of us spend too much time on computers (and I am guilty of that too! :) ) Recent evidence I am aware of demonstrates that when Ontario tourism outfitters advertise and spend money on marketing, they attract outdoor tripping clients from around the world, anxious to experience a Canadian canoe trip.

IMO, MEC sold out long ago and violated its original reason for being and agreement with its shareholders. It is a co-op after all, and they have to respond to membership direction. Instead its board of directors, senior staff, and voting members went off-policy, off constitution, got greedy for growth for growths sake, and decided they wanted to grow forever into a never ending profit-driven system driven by amorphous consumer demand, not focused purpose-driven demand, IMO. Nothing against yoga, but sheesh, this is the last straw. MEC as a yoga store? If they stayed focused on their core purpose, they likley would not grow much and profits would flat line. Flat line is not bad for a co-op. I never signed up for perpetual store growth. I signed up for good quality gear, year after year, that I could not find from the open market that often caters to lowest common denominator. There is nothing wrong in a capitalist free market system to find your niche, stay in it, and not grow. Co-ops after all are socialist organizations. ;) There is no compelling evidence that to survive as a profitable business, one must grow forever. Big mega companies seem to need tax payer bail-outs more than ever these days.......

I will admit that as a co-op member, I never participated in the co-op democratic process, nor did I ever vote for Board rep's. MEC was always good in alerting members about voting, and inviting members to run for the Board. If one does not vote or participate, I suppose one cannot complain.

Now I see MEC as just another store, where I may or may not find the product that I want. I still buy several hundred to well over a thousand dollars or more from them every year. (e.g. they have the best bulk price for Clif Bars in Canada! ;) ) They are brokers for bringing in the big name brands, who often up their price in Canada, higher than the US prices, just because they can. For our US friend's info, you may not be aware that in Canada we are often forbidden from buying many name brands from US online stores - these stores will not ship to us. Many will not even accept a Canadian credit card number. We do not have free trade, despite what the politicians and pundits say. There are major trade barriers in place, and price fixing by multinationals where the same item in Canada is made more expensive in US dollars and duty, not just by currency exchange rates. We often get gouged here.

I agree with you Sturgeon about the great products and excellent service of the cottage industries, and I have purchased gear from several you mentioned. I really, really appreciate the USA cottage industries that sell direct to us Canucks using their list price, and ship using the US Postal Service without any rip-off brokerage fee courier middle man. I buy gear direct via postal service from many of these USA cottage industries, and I am personal friends with many of the owner-operators whom I can talk on on the phone and on email, all of whom are great guys and gals. More and more these days, I try and support cottage industries in Canada and the USA.

I have a little dream that with advances in 3D printing, and as China starts to raise its average standard of living and wages there increase, that more and more manufacturing will come back to North America, and we will again have a flourishing of smaller manufacturers, and even more cottage industries to select unique quality gear from. Support your local industries!
 
Amen; Hoop, to me MEC has become just another dept. store. Thirty years ago it carried a wide selection for all outdoor activities. Now not so much!
I'd like to buy stuff from the little guys, but they're not really selling the stuff I need. After participating in most of the outdoor sports for about 50 years, I don't need another tent, or parka, or stove, Etc.
What I need is the little stuff; repair parts, upgrades, tripping food, and occasionally outright replacement gear. I have no need for any of 32 different shirts, or 9 different yoga mats, or 100 trendy but useless hats. What I do need is stuff like a water filter maintenance kit, or a generator for a Coleman stove, or a buckle to replace the one I slammed the tailgate on. Mail order doesn't really work well for that sort of stuff for the simple fact that when I need something, I need it today, not in 2-3 weeks, my trip will be over by then.
If you look at the Ontario Parks reservation site, you can see that virtually every front country campsite within 5 hours of Toronto is fully booked until September, and backcountry sites are pretty packed too. All those people need stuff and most are resigned to buying throw away crap from the box store.
I think a lot of "outdoor stores" are missing the mark when they replace their hard lines with soft lines. Sure the margins on clothes and yuppie stuff is higher than for gear, but there is definitely a need to carry the gear too, because that guy who just walked out might rather drop $300 for a good tent this week, and in a couple of weeks He might be looking for a nice pack, and so on, and so on. It's called building a client base!
After all, who would shop at a grocery store that had no dairy section, or an auto parts place that doesn't carry batteries. People go where they can get everything in 1 stop. They don't want to have to run all over the place for a few items.
 
I would venture to say there are fewer hard core long term outdoorsmen ( and women) than in years past. There are lots of people trying it once or twice but not so many that keep it up. In a good year I make 2-3 major trips and hopefully 2 minor. How many people plan a trip around portage clearing?

I live to get out in the back country...my friends recoil at the thought of going with me...lol. It is tougher to convince them than you might think. Of course I am preaching to the choir on this forum, but take it even to the local Paddlefest in Wpg and you get mostly day trippers. Lotsa kayakers and now SUP's. So yes there are more people but the usage is changing.

MEC. Welllllllll, I do shop there and some of their stuff rocks. But I can get pretty decent stuff most anywhere. Yes I know...when only the best will do...but I have found that I can do pretty good with mid grade eqpt. As long as it doesnt say "World Famous" on the label it should be ok. Besides, who can resist the lure of Canadian Tire money. I am a big fan of army surplus too. If I could find any of the old rubber air mattresses they used to have I would buy 10 of them.
I suppose the main issue is that everyone shops online now. Actual stores are having a hard time keeping the doors open. We will end up a nation of cottage industries.
 
Americans love to give the illusion that they are outdoors people. How do you explain all of those SUVs that have never had mud on them? They like the sporty casual clothes. There is a giant market for sportswear, and a small one for people like us. It is simple economics.
 
I got fed up with cotton beach towels on trips. Not so fast to dry, heavy when wet and always bulky. I turned to using little "miracle fabric" type cloths instead. I use them as rags at home and as cleaning-drying-everything cloths on trips. For Christmas my wife gave me a rolled up towel size of the same looking material. "No sense in drying yourself off after a swim with little itty bitty face cloths Brad." In preparation for an upcoming trip I finally pulled this new towel out for a closer look. I wondered at it's weird dimensions. "Why is it narrow and rectangular? I've never seen a towel like this before." My wife straight lipped and stern said nothing. My younger daughter was watching, and said "Oh, I know what that is dad! It's a yoga mat cover. It fits over your mat for hot and sweaty yoga workouts."
At least it isn't pink.
 
Americans love to give the illusion that they are outdoors people. How do you explain all of those SUVs that have never had mud on them?

To wit, the best selling “luxury” (over $50,000) vehicle in the US is…...drumroll..….gussied up Ford F150 trucks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...-for-the-rich/

I can’t blame Ford for making what sells, and for reaping high profit margins on those “trucks”, but it is somehow a sad commentary on American consumers.

I have visions of Rob wrapped toga-style in his Yoga mat.
 
I got fed up with cotton beach towels on trips. Not so fast to dry, heavy when wet and always bulky. I turned to using little "miracle fabric" type cloths instead. I use them as rags at home and as cleaning-drying-everything cloths on trips. For Christmas my wife gave me a rolled up towel size of the same looking material. "No sense in drying yourself off after a swim with little itty bitty face cloths Brad." In preparation for an upcoming trip I finally pulled this new towel out for a closer look. I wondered at it's weird dimensions. "Why is it narrow and rectangular? I've never seen a towel like this before." My wife straight lipped and stern said nothing. My younger daughter was watching, and said "Oh, I know what that is dad! It's a yoga mat cover. It fits over your mat for hot and sweaty yoga workouts."
At least it isn't pink.

I use a couple of "ShamWows" for tripping. Smallish for after swimming but excellent for wiping down the tent to dry before packing up.
 
I use a couple of "ShamWows" for tripping. Smallish for after swimming but excellent for wiping down the tent to dry before packing up.

We have a couple of old Pack Towels.

http://www.rei.com/product/830599/packtowl-personal-towel

Ours are on the teesny side as towels go. And probably close to 20 years old, so they are well worn, soiled and pilled. I still trip with one, although half the time I just dry myself or whatever with the dirty tee shirt I took off before rinsing it out and hanging to dry. I have a sponge for larger needs.

I cut up the Pack Towel shammy that was especially groady to use as tripping truck cab and cap window condensation shammies. The half with the strap and hook is handily hung just inside the cap door.

The Missus has some high-tech version of some super-absorbent material, the same weight and volume, but twice the size.
 
I seem to have the same problem a lot of you have in finding outdoor clothes that fit, but for the opposite reasons. I'm a rather scrawny female, and to me it seems that outdoor retailers assume all women who love to spend time in the outdoors are bulky, athletic types. I had been on the search for good hiking pants for years, and every pair I tried on at MEC or SAIL were at least two inches too big in the waist with ridiculous built-in hips that make me look like I'm wearing jodhpurs. So, where did I end up finding hiking pants, you ask? At Lululemon, a yoga clothing store. Their "studio dance" pant fits me perfectly, and I now own both a lined and unlined pair for different seasons.
I think it's a bit of an unfair assumption that us "young-uns" don't value quality. I refuse to buy anything that isn't going to last me for at least five years, and this extends to my regular wardrobe as well. I'd much rather spend $200 on one good-quality garment than regularly spend $20 on crap.
Also, I have tiny feet, and the only hiking socks that fit me perfectly are youth XL wool socks by Wigwam, sold at MEC.
My current favourite outdoor store is Canadian Outdoor Equipment Co in Port Credit, Ontario. It's a very well-curated boutique, with beautiful, functional gear.
 
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