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Ai bots threaten the digital canoeing world

Alan Gage

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Ok, so maybe it's not as serious as the post title proclaims but it's certainly becoming a "thing."

Yesterday there was an introductory post from a new member:

Hello everyone! I’m excited to join this canoeing community as a proud owner of a beautiful canoe.

His profile picture showed a lovely image of he and his wife in hunting gear, with a setting sun in the background, as they kissed. Very appropriate for this type of forum. The picture had a watermark from a photographer in St Louis, which also seemed appropriate. But when I checked the users IP address it came up in Czechia: Not appropriate for this forum.

We get a fair number of these members and they seem to be getting more common. Some are obviously not real members, such as the ones @Gamma1214 enjoys playing with, and some are a bit more covert by making an on-topic reply about some piece of gear and then supplying a link where it can be purchased. But the trickiest ones are the ones that never have an obvious agenda. Some of them have been members for years, and made multiple posts that spawned good discussion and replies, before we noticed the pattern. I can only assume these are Ai performing some kind of market research as they generally ask for recommendations about a product (sleeping pads, mugs, etc).

I asked Chat GPT about the usage of Ai as forum members in general (yes, I get the irony) and it stated that along with the obvious purposes of pushing a product or agenda that they were also sometimes used for the relatively benign purpose of training the Ai to interact with people. This helps explain some of the more odd suspected Ai accounts, such as the one that would respond to posts with, "Yes, I see," once every few weeks.

I bring this up for a couple reasons:

1: Something to be aware of

2: If you suddenly find a post or poster missing this is probably why

3: I think it's really interesting and thought some of you might as well. If I wasn't a moderator who is supposed to watch out for this stuff I'd never be aware of most of these fake members. It's remarkable how good some of them are. The forum makes use of software that flags suspicious member applications and there are usually 10-30 of these per day (it's been as high as 90/day) but some still slip through the filter.

Alan
 
This is also an ongoing issue with the WCHA forum as well if that is any consolation. Bots and spam are simply parts of life in a modern internet forum.

Benson
 
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It seems to be a big problem in a lot of forums. I participate in two others and they both have had Ai and bot problems. The bots got so bad on one, that it had to be shut down and change the forum protocols.
 
As you are well aware Alan I am doing my level best to counteract this digital voyeurism/spyware by feeding them/it with rambling mildly disturbing flaky posts in order to confuse their learned logic. I'm pretty sure I'm always one step ahead of them, or at the very least, sporadically deking out their geek and taking their bot brains towards distant horizons of WTF is this guy talking about now?!
Keep up the good work on your side of this friendly campfire Alan.
 
Thanks for your efforts Alan. Must be a pain to deal with. Rest assured we all are thankful.

I appreciate it.

It really isn't that much of a pain (at least for me, I can't speak for Glenn). The software catches nearly all the nefarious members that apply and while it gets tedious it doesn't take long to quickly review and delete them every day.

I kind of like sniffing out the ones that do get through, especially when they aren't obvious. And I find it fascinating how good the Ai is getting at blending in....and other times how poorly.

Alan
 
Greetings fellow wilderness canoe trippers! I am thrilled to have found this forum where I can connect with other like-minded individuals who share my passion for exploring the great outdoors by canoe. I have been paddling and portaging through the wilderness for years, seeking out remote lakes and rivers to discover the beauty of nature in its purest form. I look forward to sharing stories, tips, and advice with all of you as we continue to embark on our wild adventures together. Happy paddling!
 
Greetings fellow wilderness canoe trippers! I am thrilled to have found this forum where I can connect with other like-minded individuals who share my passion for exploring the great outdoors by canoe. I have been paddling and portaging through the wilderness for years, seeking out remote lakes and rivers to discover the beauty of nature in its purest form. I look forward to sharing stories, tips, and advice with all of you as we continue to embark on our wild adventures together. Happy paddling!
@memaquay, please send pictures of a campfire-roasted goat or last year's moose or we'll have to assume that your account has been pirated by ai or that you're being held captive by some double-blade wielding city dweller (blink twice if you need help)

I DO enjoy playing with the obvious ones although I'm disappointed that so few stick around to respond (I think there was only one). I used to screw with the spammers that call / text me daily until my nephew (cyber security geek extraordinaire) advised me that ai can easily learn speech patterns & mimic your voice so I should be careful.

I still have fun with the texters: I usually thank them for unblocking me and ask when they'll make good on the $40,000 bad check they wrote me 3 years ago. Nephew traced one number to a call center in India and I texted very specific information about their work location and asked them to send a certified check so I didn't have to garnish their wages. Pretty sure they blocked me 🤣
 
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