I currently own three pack baskets, one old LL. Bean similar to those made by the current Maine pack basket co., A current Pete Ricard & a custom made Adirondack style made for me by Baskets by Dot of maine ( so beautiful I'm afraid to use it.) All maid in different styles & materials. I do not have a rim supported style as I am suspicious it might tear itself apart. Nor do I have one of riven black ash. But I still keep looking at them with desire. Any one have any suggestions as to the advantages or drawbacks of one type over the other. Take a look at Bill Mackowski traditionals, seem excellent to me.