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Wasioto Whitehall (Skin on Frame Rowboat) Build

This here is where you wish you had 5-6ppl reading along and commenting.
Interesting project for sure & I'm reading along but I'm still mostly trying to figure out what you're doing as it's a real departure from anything that I've done. One suggestion that I will offer at this point: Rather than towels, boiling water & heat guns, can you set up a 15-16 foot section of pvc pipe & a wallpaper steamer?

I've found that even submerging wood in cold water and soaking for a couple of days is often enough to make it pliable but I've never tried bending them after they've been laminated. I'm interested to see how you make out.
 
Interesting project for sure & I'm reading along but I'm still mostly trying to figure out what you're doing as it's a real departure from anything that I've done.
Thank you! For all four of those.

One suggestion that I will offer at this point: Rather than towels, boiling water & heat guns, can you set up a 15-16 foot section of pvc pipe & a wallpaper steamer?
That might be the best way. I'll have a clearer view of the part and can watch it doesn't twist as I add the additional bend. I'll still probably have to build the form (to this step I added using that arced form the gunnels were resting on in early picture, with 4ft boards mounted perpendicularly to form a tray, not so much to force the gunnels into shape but as guide to see proper arc as I alter what they're at), but what I'll GET to do is build a steamer. Been wantn a nice wuna nem. Something with a good wide water vessel, for lots of steam generating surface area.

I've found that even submerging wood in cold water and soaking for a couple of days is often enough to make it pliable but I've never tried bending them after they've been laminated.
Or that. I'll have to look at what temp rating T-88 can handle, I wouldn't want them to delam in the pipe or towels. I didn't pre-soak before lamination because I didn't want the wood waterlogged prior to epoxy. But epoxy holds up to water alone. It might be best to do the simple 'soak for 3-5 days, remove, bend, and allow to rest in position for 5-7 days' technique.

I'm interested to see how you make out.
Thank you friend. I'm interested to see if I DO.
 
I didn't want the wood waterlogged prior to epoxy.
I guess that might depend on how much patience you have. When fresh-cut, wood is often 50% or more water and most will air dry to 8-10% in a year or two. Even with steaming, there's simply no way that you're going to get back to green wood moisture levels.

About the only thing that I've bent are seat parts and I soak strips (3/16 x 1 inch) in water for 3-5 days and then put them in the bending jigs. They then dry in the jigs for 5-7 days (usually inside a heated space in winter so the relative humidity of the surrounding air is pretty low) and then I laminate with epoxy. So far, I've seen little evidence of dampness in the center of the packs (7 strips) when removed from the jigs so I assume that the water dries out of the wood about as quickly as it soaked in (real technical, huh?)

With steam, you might get more water in more quickly but I'd think that it'll still dry out relatively soon. Just don't be in a hurry (?)

Also, I've never steamed wood but my understanding is that it works best if it's soaked for a few days before steaming.
 
can you set up a 15-16 foot section of pvc pipe & a wallpaper steamer?

I've never tried it but I've seen people use steam bags. Basically wrap the wood in a plastic "bag" and then insert the steam hose. Benefits are less setup/materials and you can manipulate the wood while it's in the bag being steamed.

I believe DougD used this method when steaming gunwales to fit his Rob Roy, which bent too much to install dry. He was able to gain pliancy and then clamped the bag and all to the boat to get the correct shape. Turned off the steam and let them cool and dry for a day or two before unclamping and removing the plastic. They held much of their shape and could then be installed normally.


Alan
 
Yeah, Gamma, good research on the moisture levels coming and going in the wood. With steaming though, it’s not water inside the wood, its the heat softening the Lignin glue of the tree, and letting the fibers of wood slide alongside one another. But yeah I’ve heard soaking them pre-steam helps too, and I’ve done it every other time. I like the idea of towels wrapped on assembled stringers with boiling water poured on them. There’s not as much heat applied on that method, but that might make me use it.

I got the gunnels in water using 20ft of irrigation pipe. Before hand I set seven steel posts in the ground, two of them the length of the boat apart, and five of them the separation of the frames apart. The five were set in an arced line about three to four feet away from the line of the two. Laser found the level on all the posts, marked to measure on each where the sheer arc should be. I cut seven trios of 1x3s, one about four inches, one about 12, and one 18. Then I was going to put the smallest piece of wood on the inside of the curve, the middle sized on the outside, and the 18in set vertical. There was(is) a hole at the end of each 18. That way once each assembly wes clamped together I could run a string from each hole to a post, and draw each seven assembly to the seven spots I wanted them to be. (A point about half again further from where I eventually want it to be? Trial till right…)
Gunnels were in the tube a day. The irrigation pipe needed to be sealed, I used silicone in a fancy caulk gun. Here to tell you. Lowes is great, I worked there, best job I’ve had, I still go there twice as often as I do any other store, but I didn’t buy a Lowes gun because I didn’t want a Lowes gun for life. Take the time, get the good tool, you'll love using it every time. And we'll keep those companies alive so others can still get the good tool in ten years. As said I siliconed the joints, but the middle one leaked. I used Flex Tape on the joint and it leaked. I used Gorilla tape on the joint and it stopped.
I tried to get the gunnels to soak in the irrigation pipe vertical. The whole point of this jig is so weird twists don't start. I clamped them together: I didn't want any twist to develop they weren’t both a party to. One might bend wrong but if the other bends twice as right, you might get it to work. I set one end of the piping on a sawhorse to hold it up in the air. When I slid gunnels in, they flopped 30deg to one side. Twist back to straight they hold for a moment then flop the opposite 30deg. The way weight in the water held some by gunnels wanted to set, was off at that angle.
So I pulled them back out, stacked them so the 30deg arc sent them in the direction I want them to get to, and put them back in.
That was about 24hrs ago. When I pulled them out to check on them this afternoon, they looked just how I want them to.
Well, instead of that jig, they'll just dry on the boat!
Therefore I delayed a week and a half to get a good gun, and cut the same off an estimated three week delay on the normal schedule. That being at least a week in the water and a week drying in shape.
Put them on at the same time, work side to side, so one doesn't bend the assembling frame one way or the other. I start in the middle so the gunnel stays balanced in place, then work towards the ends using same principal as massaging out bubbles under tape.
Clamped up, they fit pretty good. Right now they want to lift up the fifth frame, and they all need torsional twist at their ends. But I'm going to let them dry how they are. In a few days they might get another half day in the water, or maybe get three, but I’ll twist just the ends till we’re in agreement on how to go.
A tool to help that along is in the planning stages, I might make it just to show it even if I don’t need it like the post jig. For right now she’s not putting much strain to the frames while looking pretty good with a lot of hull rocker.
Guess that could be good for a river going rowboat.

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Straight so far.

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If anything else, I’d like to contribute these 1mm cotton cords to the world of SoF boat building methods. Pretty much everybody always uses zip ties. One time use pieces of plastic that are tricky to use, have sharp corners that dent the wood we’re working with, and did I mention one time ever use. These cotton cords are on their second boat, and on the first boat they were many of them used five or more times.
Skin on frame boats, they come together their own way. There isn’t enough force on any one component to hold them as you go, but what that does is open up the chance to make an extraordinarily light boat to an extraordinarily perfect shape. If you could take a plank on frame boat apart a few times before it was done and have a second go at shaping each plank, each component could be much lighter as the boat held it together in steps. Here one has an opportunity to make a much straighter, truer boat to a great shape, worked to shape gradually.
Then too, these cords bring the boat together really easily. You can draw them in tighter than zip ties, you can also relax the same one back out if you need. I think they’re easier to latch: it’s just a square knot, already done it more than any other I know. And how many of you boat builders ever set one in on the wrong X, and wished you could have them all the same?
I call this a Rectangle Knot, it probably already exists somewhere. It’s a square knot with an extra twist.
That extra twist on the set up lets that knot hold in place on it’s own while you get set for the second step. Maybe a pinky there to remind it, but once softened up they’re holding well on their own now. Then that Rectangle has a big ol hole to stick an ice pick in, to work them all back out later. So stuck in a box and used for all kinds of projects, till three years later on another boat.

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After drying in place for 24hrs, third (middle) frame was not compressed at all, and first (fore) frame was half an inch narrower than specs. I slid gunnels back in the tube overnight. Removed battens, re-trued frames to level and straight, reinstalled gunnels this morning. I reduced the stem extension beyond the first frame an inch and stuck a spreader clamp at the last frame, to increase the bend during drying beyond the future intended arc. The stem has one loop pulling the sides together, stem and stern each have a loop around strongback holding them down. Plus their ceiling strings.

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Right now looks pretty good, true to plans. Even before the cords holding ends down, the fifth (aft) frame did not want to pop up four inches like last time. If that's where she wants to go though, that's where she'll get to go. I'll increase keel rocker by an eyeball gauge of the difference between planned and actual hull rocker, ease center thwart back a bit to trim her aft some, and she'll be a river version of a bay boat with finer entry and exit angles.

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Now I am finally where I thought I was when I began posting this thread: shaping the stem. Gentry provided a stem pattern of course, but he also seemed to allow for alteration. His instructions say the top of the stem should be set 27in ahead of Frame1, and 27in above the Strongback. He says if the provided shape doesn’t arrive there easily while connected to the keelson, it’s likely because the stem/keelson notch isn’t cut right. Builder should remove stem and recut notch. I thought this might open up opportunity for me to create my own stem shape.
I like fairly vertical stems, with a fairly short radius forefoot. Looks buff and burly in my opinion. Probably comes from my favorite sailboat type, the Bristol Channel Cutters, and favorite powerboat type, Alaskan Salmon Troller? I’ve done some asking around and was advised against the style. That straight stems push through waves instead of riding over, and that a spoon shaped bow with similar arc as bilge radius doesn’t require as much twisting of the lower planks during building. OK. Boats are boats and if they aren’t as good at one thing they’re better at another. And for a bit of foreshadowing I’ll say the boat I’m building is a boat to be seen in. Maybe I won’t go all the way to plumb bow, but if there’s some room for monkeying I’ll see if I can get partway there.
Also, I am not a fan of hollow cheeked entries. I like floatation at my ends. That’s what pops my boats up over the waves. Whether it is valid or not, and most of hydraulic theory is conjecture, smoke and mirrors and flying brooms, but I prefer to adhear to the concept that water molecules don’t want to change directions a bunch of times. That in a given displacement rating, a pointy football shaped water plane with constant radius stem to stern causes less disturbance to the water than a water plane with a hollow on each end and a widely flared bulge in the middle.
That’s why the PVC batten are standing in for stringers. So I can mess around with how this hull comes together. More like Diagonals than Waterlines or Buttocks (don’t ask me to explain I hardly know), kinda like lofting (don’t ask me to explain I really don’t know) but kinda backwards since I am perfecting the shape of the hull in physical 3D instead of pen and shop floor. I can push and pull the battens until the arc looks right, then draw a stem that lines them all up.
That is what I did. Except I didn’t draw a stem because once I had the batten lines just right, and set the provided stem shape up for eyeball baseline, the stock stem shape already aligned perfect.
Appearance wise as well, imo. I love the look. Maybe I’m coming around to the spoon bow arc.

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The gunnels still pull the fifth frame about 2in higher than spec. We’ll roll with it. But it means other parts of the plans need to be altered as well. Before I begin creating a dramatic transom from a single piece of Mahogany, I made a dummy. Along with an adjustable transom knee for ascertaining the angle.

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Gentry provided for a plywood stem. His shape is attractive and traditional in form, but plywood. According to Glen L Witt, on edge plane, plywood is only half as strong as solid wood. To my eye the stem’s extra width plywood plank looks a little out of proportion to the solid wood keelson. I also wanted to maintain the Ash color line all along the craft’s center line.
This stem is laminated of steam bent strips. My understanding of preferred grain orientation for steam bending is flat sawn, or rift sawn, as in Figure A. This comes from a few articles in WoodenBoat magazine and a few books on making longbows. Simply put, the strength and stiffness of wood is in the connected stripes.
Think of the stripes like pages in a book, and consider the direction each sheet of paper is willing to bend, and able to move in relation to one another. When wood is heated, the lignin glue within liquifies, and allow the stripes to slide relative to one another.
Edge grain, aka vertical grain, aka quarter sawn, as in Figure B, is often seen as superior to flat/rift sawn because it is more dimensionally stable, but edge grain fractures under less strain.

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Or so I understand it anyway. I didn’t have quite enough Ash for Flat Sawn strips, four were Vertical Grain. One of those Vertical Grains was the easiest strip to bend of the whole lot. I had two strips crack: one Flat Sawn and one Vertical.
Here the stem and transom knee are resting in forms. In a day-2 I’ll pull them out, slather the strips in two part space age miracle adhesive, and let them rest again.

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I am going to make one more post on steam bending here, with the sum total of my education and (limited) experience, so it can all be in one place. Not all of it is relevant, I don’t promise any of it is right, but it’s stood me in good stead and should get you started. Much of it might be elementary to you longer termers, but weigh in with anything to correct or add and this can be another location for later learners.
First, everyone seems to agree the rule is one hour in the box per inch of thickness. These strips were 1/8in so I went 7min, the 1/4 I’ve done I did for 15. So on and so forth. That’s where you start at and you can adjust it for wood genus and unique genetics and soil composition: all way beyond my understandings. Mostly I think about heat in the box and the outside air. When you pull your part from the steamer you have about 15 to 30sec to get it into shape. What I can also tell you is: if it’s a chilly rainy late fall night in TN, you don’t even have that long.
I’m not sure grain orientation is all that big a deal. Most of the articles and books I’ve read don’t mention it. As I said, this trip I had fairly even results in either angle, and the time I broke the most was largely flat grain, but that was that cold night. Most of the issues you’ll run into is with grain run-out. Which is found mostly in flat grain… The best way to avoid run-out is to rive (split) it, which except in case of I think Cedar will almost always only be flat grain…
In maybe my favorite book on building boats: Robert Morris’ Building Skin on Frame Boats, (Out of print. I paid 1/2 $ of second lowest price online and got a perfect copy, your mileage may vary), he says if it splits on outside of curve it was too cold, if it crushes on inside curve it was too hot.
He also says if you don’t have heat, you can chew on it.
Warning: works better on smaller boats.
(Reason I like his book so much is instead of the Indo-European attitude of: ‘You must have this best wood from other side of your country or half way around the world, (you really want OldGrowth but you probably can’t find it unless you’ve established a deep enough relationship that locals let you pick thru their stack (I've been doing this so long I have stored a great stash for me and my best buds (my paypal email is…))), and you must put this part such-such fraction of an inch in the XYZ axii or your boat’ll suck,’ Morris says: ’these boats were invented and perfected where they didn’t have trees, they killed almost every calorie they ate using whatever washed up on their beach, in a region where any maritime mishap or sullen seal killed them (but hey, if you can, get this and orient the frame grain like this.). If you want it to handle like this put that part here but if you like this attribute do it like that, this thing is around the size of your fist and this thing is about the length of your arm spread.’. He teaches simple but detailed how to build one boat including trusting you with theory, later adds a bunch of extra small random helpful infos so didn’t confuse you in initial mind dump, then provides basic plans for a bunch of extra boats you can use the same methods on. Good book.)
Another way to reduce snaps is straps. Idea is, as softened lignin allows fibers to slide, it’s better to have them compress a bit than release out. So a metal strap on outside of bend, with two end clamps as far apart as the wood was before bending, can keep that from happening. You can spend a lot of money on specialty tools from companies catering to wealthy boaters, or one tipster somewhere mentioned Plumber’s Hanger Straps. He used I think a clamp for securing copper wire to ground rod, but I can’t remember where I read that and three hardware stores I checked didn’t have the shape I had in memory. Or not one that’d work. For this Wasioto Whitehall I bought barrel bolt locks, those things you lift the pin and slide the rod sideways into the part you don’t want to move. The loop the rod goes into seemed to have the slightly less than 90deg angle I figured would hold these 1/8in thick strips in place. And a regular C-clamp would hold those in place. I got copper Hanger Tape because though these are Ash, wet Oak sometimes reacts to ferrous metals, and I'd prefer to avoid polka dots on later projects.
But I didn’t use them here. These bends just aren’t that tight and the strips are pretty thin. They almost went where I wanted without heat. There’s some formula, like no less a radius than Xx the thickness of the part you’re bending. I forget what it is but if you’re building a boat I can assume you have some common sense and/or have seen one before. These are Earth born organics not space age ceramics: its all just generalities. Don’t bend tighter than you remember seeing, and you’ll break less of them.
Morris says if you break a third of them, you’re doing OK.
Lets see, what else. Green wood is better than dry, air cured is better than kiln killed. Domestics are better than Foreigners (tho Mahogany does great), Hardwoods tend to be better than Softs, except Cedar which is crazy flimsy. White Oak and Ash are among the best, fruit and nut woods among the worst, but I’ve bent both Cherry and Walnut without breaking either and wait, wouldn’t Oak be a nut wood? ??? Must not be any solid rules here folks. Try whatever washed up on your beach.
Another thing I've read is you can’t steam a second time. The guy didn’t say why, so I’m free to disagree. I’ll guess because an already partly bent part won’t go back in a straight box?
Another writer said don’t worry if all the ribs aren’t perfectly equally shaped: once you pop the rib and stringer basket off the Strongback, the boat’ll align itself how it wants. Averaging about how you wanted it. But I was building a boat I wanted to be precisely the way I wanted it. I steamed the ribs, inserted the ribs, rested the ribs, and while resting the ribs I built a flat steam box. More like a drawer with a door than a duct. I also cut a bunch of solid forms so each rib’d be shaped exactly how I wanted.
On second steam, when I pulled the first one out it had straightened out.
So I drilled holes in the extra length of all the ribs, tied them to about the U I wanted, and steamed them like that. Then stuck them in their perfect forms.
Not a single one of those rebends broke. On a chilly rainy early spring night in TN.
And they all stayed pree-cisely the way I wanted them.

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I say that partly to say, with these laminates I was ready to do that. The stem not being an even arc but one with a straight edge on either end, and not any longer than I needed them later, instead of tearing wood fibers with a bit I planned to stick them in two socks on sticks, pulled together with string (do you really think I’d do it any other way?). Once epoxied in a stack this laminate should hold itself to shape pretty well, but even if it spreads some I could trim the ends at an angle, tighten the angle of the keelson scarf without losing strength, and increase the size of the stem knee I intend to install anyway, but I do like this shape and those perfectly parallel stripes and it’s the principal of the thing. I’ve still got my drawer. I was set to resteam. After resting for two days, when I pulled the strips off their form, the tips went from 30in apart to 31.
Good enough. It’ll go.
Not a particularly additionally illuminating picture but here it is anyway. I hope that tape works. These only need to be 3/4in wide to line up on the keelson and most of the strips are an inch, but some of them aren’t much more than 3/4. If the strips get stuck together staggered, after I plane the parts flush they might be too narrow. I found a fairly flat surface to push them to: a spare spool top saved for when my current (warped) workbench wears completely out. (I can get these because I have established long term relationships with select locals.)

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I think that’s all I think about steaming. All I can think of anyway.
 
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