Seeing articles on first time visitors trashing NPs, SPs, BWCA. Heartbreaking. Cutting down live trees on campsites. Graffiti. Do Canadians do this shat?
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Pilgrims ruining parks
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"Who you calling a Pilgrim, Pilgrim?"
Not necessarily first timers. There are repeat offenders out there feeling entitled to trash. Human behaviour both good and bad knows no borders.
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Humans are my least favorite species, right below ticks and pit vipers.
Rangers say people who don't usually camp are responsible. In BWCA, new internet permitting process is partially blamed. LNT videos are being ignored. People trying to burn green wood. Where do these morons come from?
Rangers say people who don't usually camp are responsible. In BWCA, new internet permitting process is partially blamed. LNT videos are being ignored. People trying to burn green wood. Where do these morons come from?
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The advent of the battery-powered chainsaw has taken the douchebaggery levels to new heights. A full cord of green pine, cut into 4' sections awaited us at one campsite, along with a varied and well-scattered assortment of leftovers - orange peels, avocados, and corn on the cob. We were very tired and needed to stop, so we spent the next 20 minutes cleaning up and scouting for bear sign.
So, yes.
So, yes.
People have turned into pigs. Americans were like that since the beginning until the Environmental Movement in the 1970s. We had to teach people. Time to start some ad campaigns again. Cleaning up your mess is not innate. People have to be taught.
Canadians do it too, see it all the time.
There are good people too. I've met them. Tripped with them. Know some only by name and internet avatar. Really pissed some of them off even.
These people never make the headlines. Which is the real shame as they've got real stories to tell.
These people never make the headlines. Which is the real shame as they've got real stories to tell.
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And now we have the first annual White Mountains Clean up. Never before been necessary.. Teams gathered some 300 lbs of trail garbage from popular sites. Usually not three or four miles back and up two thousand feet but more apt to be at waterfalls and vistas.
https://www.wmur.com/article/more-th...FoIZ8f1duXH_c#
this should not need to be done.
https://www.wmur.com/article/more-th...FoIZ8f1duXH_c#
this should not need to be done.
Yes, many a misty-eyed Canadian "nature-lover" chooses to leave generous heaps of garbage at shore sites. While obeying the mysterious call to re-live childhood memories of good times at the lake with dear departed dad, we fishermen seem to be especially fond of leaving behind empty Red Bull cans, plastic water bottles, fishing tackle wrappers, Tim Horton coffee cups, and styrofoam bait boxes. It would be sweet and generous to give humanity the benefit of the doubt and believe that litterers are a rare exception. Unfortunately, the state of my favourite local reservoir seems to belie that bit of wishful thinking. Unfortunately, it's not just the inflatable pool toy crowd, the "rednecks", and the weekend warriors who comprise the guilty. It's a bigger demographic. Littering is practised by many decent friendly folks, some who paddle, some who don't, some who will offer to give you a hand loading your canoe up onto your vehicle, give your car battery a jump, or offer you a cold beer out of their cooler. I agree with Black Fly and PPine that cleaning up after oneself doesn't come naturally and has to be learned. Cleaning up the perpetrators' mess, preferably in plain view of them, but without ranting or blaming anyone while doing so might possibly produce some positive results. Possibly... and if nothing else, it might help defuse one's keen sense of moral outrage. Or, on the other hand, contribute to the growth of a stomach ulcer. And just in case__ I know it's highly unlikely__ there really is a heaven with angels guarding the gates, if nothing else, cleaning up after others might help with gaining entry there.
Thus far for me the results of our recent "Look-here-nice-folks-I'm-good-humouredly-cleaning-up-your-crap" strategy are inconclusive. There's always fresh garbage after a day or two away. And contrary to some grumbling I hear occasionally, it's definitely NOT a problem caused by any one particular generation or ethnic group.
Thus far for me the results of our recent "Look-here-nice-folks-I'm-good-humouredly-cleaning-up-your-crap" strategy are inconclusive. There's always fresh garbage after a day or two away. And contrary to some grumbling I hear occasionally, it's definitely NOT a problem caused by any one particular generation or ethnic group.
Scratchypants, thank you for introducing me to a new word: "douchebaggery". The medical supply and rubber industrial complex might take issue with that new term, and perhaps some others, too, but it definitely made me smile.
Some part of the problem has always been that the primary hobby of some people with paddles, fishing poles, guns and camping gear is actually drinking or drugging, psycho-chemicals that are conducive to disrespect, self-centeredness, negligence and aggressiveness. With the bars closed and cabin fever rampant, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a greater percentage of that crowd out there.
I was going to post about the "Don't Be A Litterbug" campaign I recall from the 60's but I see somebody already did.
https://www.babyboomster.com/litterbug/
Actually lots of people....
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2006/05/origins-anti-litter-campaigns/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_America_Beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whk_PY2-Guk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJfQi7D1NU8
https://flashbak.com/give-a-hoot-dont-pollute-5-anti-litterbug-landmarks-of-the-1970s-22097/
Hong Kong has an interesting strategy, shaming using DNA found on litter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wir1RXOMDO4
Plenty of yahoos everywhere, Canada included.
https://www.babyboomster.com/litterbug/
Actually lots of people....
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2006/05/origins-anti-litter-campaigns/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_America_Beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whk_PY2-Guk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJfQi7D1NU8
https://flashbak.com/give-a-hoot-dont-pollute-5-anti-litterbug-landmarks-of-the-1970s-22097/
Hong Kong has an interesting strategy, shaming using DNA found on litter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wir1RXOMDO4
Plenty of yahoos everywhere, Canada included.
Good links, Recped! Timely reminders that "pollution" and "litter" aren't exactly the same thing. Litter is visible, can tarnish our experience of the beauty of nature, and can, but often doesn't, permanently alter or destroy ecosystems. The damage random litter causes the environment is often superficial when compared to the big, but less immediately obvious threats posed by certain powerful industries. As paddlers and citizens, which pisses us off more: yahoos tossing empty aluminum beer cans into the camp fire-pit or liberalizing regulations on industrial mining and deforestation projects, fracking, and out-of-control fossil fuel emissions? To be sure, and as one of your linked articles points out so well, nobody is ever too deeply offended by anti-litterbug campaigns.
This reminds me of a line in Jerry Seinfeld. Elaine opines that “I will never understand people. Jerry replies, “They’re the worst.” It was in reference to people who don’t bring anything to read on the plane, and then want to talk to you throughout the flight. Applies equally well to litter bugs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0KFY6o6unw
Witnessed the destruction first hand today. Beach strewn with garbage including dirty diapers at state park. Household garbage thrown out at stop signs. People is pigs.
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