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I also somehow ended up with several Pat Moore Cues including a 29 oz wood paddle and a Cue that Patrick said might be his best one and while those 2 feel blade-heavy they seem to have perfect buoyancy such that if you do in-water recoveries and always leave the blade in the water you can almost let go of the paddle since it takes virtually no force to hold the blade at the optimum height. Based only on listening to what the paddles tell me, and knowing that Patrick was slightly opinionated, I suspect this was intentional.

I believe Pat made Cues with different size blades (like Quimby did). It's hard if not impossible to maintain a constant balance point for the same length paddle when you do that. Maybe you have his large blade models. My carbon Cue balances just right for me, but is a bit heavy overall for a carbon paddle compared to ZREs.

@gumpus then said: "I don't want to distract too much from Marc's awesome thread. Pat had at least 2 standard blade sizes (Small = huge, Medium = cartoon size) and at least several standard lay-ups...and I'm not sure what he considered ideal balance. I have one 57" Grand Classic with small blade and one 59" Sport Classic with Medium blade and the difference in balance point is one inch which is exactly what you'd expect between a 57" and 59" broom handle. You can see light through the Sport Classic blade and the Grand Classic was the only paddle he rated at A1+ quality. All of his paddles are on the heavy side compared to a ZRE but for me that doesn't matter because even his small blade is too big and powerful for cruising (for me)."
 
I don't want to distract too much from Marc's awesome thread.

I agree, so I moved the discussion of Pat Moore Cue paddles to this thread for that topic.

@gumpus, you seem to have more experience with Pat Moore Cues that I do. I'd be interested in knowing the dimensions, and seeing pictures, of your Grand Classic (small blade) and Sport Classic (medium blade) to compare with my one Moore Cue that I bought this summer.

Mine is 57" total length and seems to be carbon with a blue-tinted resin. It weighs 19 oz. (538 grams). The blade seems large to me. It's the blue paddle in this photo:

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What characterizes a “Cue” paddle?

Simply, Pat Moore called his paddles "cues". Canoe paddles other than his were "primitive", so his deserved a special name. He custom designed each one so it could control a "sport canoe" with the precision and accuracy of Fast Eddie's pool cue.

More wordily, I will quote from Patrick Moore's erudite "Sport Canoeing Skills Philosophy", which was published on his now defunct website:

"Defining the Equipment

"Sport Canoeing requires only two items of equipment: a cue and a canoe.
Each of these is a huge subject in and of itself, and we will post volumes of
information about them on this Web site. Immediately, we will only look at
this equipment in general terms, based on what we've already discussed
about Sport Canoeing's purpose, possible motions and technique.

"The Cue

"The cue, or its more primitive form, the canoe paddle, is the primary piece of
equipment. This is often counter-intuitive to beginners because the canoe is
so much bigger—and you actually get inside of it. Ask any expert, however,
and he will immediately agree that the canoe paddle is more important than
the canoe. Of course, a canoe is essential, but its shape and proportions are
defined by your purpose and your technique. And you will notice that nearly
everything in our discussion of technique, above, referred to how you handle
the cue.

"For an example of the subordination of equipment to technique and of the
canoe to the paddle, imagine that your purpose for canoeing is simply to
travel. Also suppose that you also want to invest as little time as possible in
learning new skills, so you decide that the steering technique you use will be
to simply switch sides every few strokes. Then you observe that you can
maintain a straighter course if you switch sides after every stroke. You realize
that it would be less cumbersome to execute this technique if only you had
one blade dedicated to each side of your canoe—so you invent a doublebladed
paddle. Sitting high on your canoe seat, you find yourself flailing the
air with the recovering blade on your long double-bladed paddle, and realize
that for every inch closer to the water that you sit, you can make your
double-bladed paddle two inches shorter. So you sit on the bottom of your
canoe and shorten the paddle to a manageable length. The problem now,
however, is that you keep banging your elbows on the gunwales! You resolve
that the solution is to make the sides of the canoe lower in order to keep the
gunwales out of your way so you can more easily reach the water. But that
creates yet another problem—with the sides so low, your canoe has become
very unseaworthy, and water keeps splashing in. To solve this final problem,
you put a deck on your canoe. What do you have? A kayak. Kayaks are not
propelled with double-bladed paddles by some whimsical choice—they were
designed (consciously or not) for double-bladed paddles. This is a good
schematic example of how purpose determines technique, which determines
the paddle design, which determines the boat design. You can't rightly shuffle
that deck.

"Returning to the Sport Canoeing cue and keeping in mind everything we
learned earlier, the cue must be sized and proportioned to match the size and
proportions of your body, and designed to use your musculature and the
natural lever systems of your body to greatest benefit. Your interface with it
—its grips—must have shapes and textures that are natural, comfortable and
sure. The blade must be sized and proportioned to anchor firmly in the water,
yet be thin enough and properly profiled to slice effortlessly through the
water during wet recoveries. It must be straight and perfectly symmetrical so
that you can use either the natural or reverse faces indiscriminately, with
predictably identical results. It must be light and well-balanced. Together,
these features will make a cue seem so much a natural part of you that you
will often be unaware that you even hold it in your hands.

"With such a cue in your hands, any canoe can be made to perform well. To
execute all of the techniques discussed earlier, however, a sport canoe must
have a few special qualities."

Patrick then tells us what a "sport canoe" is, but that's a different topic.
 
Patrick has made some good contributions to the paddling world. His written pieces are intriging. So are his paddles. I wish I could paddle with one more often. Not many have made it to this part of the world
 
What characterizes a “Cue” paddle?
Some unique characteristis...

- Cues had specifications for weight, balance, and flexibility. Patrick assessed each paddle against the specs and assigned a quality level to the paddle and he was a tough grader

- during in-water recoveries the blade moves through the water exceptionally easily and smoothly with zero buzz (I remember his ads saying something like "like a barracuda")

- the shaft is not round or oval, it is somewhat flat on the sides...and along with the somewhat unique grip it makes it extremely easy to be aware of and control the blade angle

- kind of charming in that they weren't especially light (probably irrelevant for a freestyle paddle) and not particularly durable either. It is as though Pat just put all the priority on function. I admire the purity of his thinking
 
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I bought 2 Sport Classics in the 1990's for $300 each (1st pic). I could never bring myself to spend $400 for the heavier Grand Classic. I got lucky and both fit perfectly. I much prefer the small blade although I expect the big one is better for freestyle. They are deep water paddles and one day I was entering a rocky area and took one last stroke before switching paddles and I felt a slick "tick" and the blade folded in half. Now it's repaired and still a superb paddle but the balance is compromised.

2nd pic shows light going through the Medium blade. I expect it's even less durable. No, you can't borrow it.

3rd pic shows a 29.5 ounce (!) 58.5 inch wood Cue alongside a 14.6 ounce 59 inch Sport Classic. Both have superb balance....balance point shown with a piece of tape. The slightly shorter wood paddle actually has better balance than the A-quality Sport Classic! It's almost like Patrick thought balance was more important than weight. ;)

4th pic shows a 57" Grand Classic that came with a note from Patrick (last pic). It's shown with a 57" made of ?. Note the huge difference in balance points. The Grand Classic seems to have ideal buoyancy where you can literally let go of the paddle and just cup the grip and shaft loosely in your hands. I feel guilty even using the paddle and would like to donate it to a museum.
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Glad to hear from Gumpus on this. I don’t know of another single paddler (in person or on the internet) who has a more astute preference on paddles, and I get the impression his take has been developed through experience over the past few decades. He generously sold me one of his medium blade Moore cues in the color “Napa” a few years ago, and I treasure it. I’ve managed to acquire a few more in the time since, and they have a special corner in my collection of fine paddles that get regular use during the ice out season.

Will post more later but now let me say thanks to the CanoeTripping admins for fostering community. I’m proud to know you Tom, and hope we can get together again for some day paddling next season.IMG_3770.jpeg
 
4th pic shows a 57" Grand Classic that came with a note from Patrick (last pic). It's shown with a 57" made of ?. Note the huge difference in balance points'
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Your unknown material 57" blue cue looks exactly the same as my 57" blue cue, shown in my OP. The blade looks the same size as the Grand Classic next to it, which the receipt says is the small blade at 22.5" x 8.25", and which has a weight of 16.9 oz.

My blue cue has the same dimension blade, so I assume its a "small," and weighs 19 oz. The balance point seems to be about one inch higher on the shaft than the mark on yours. I'd call it more durable than my carbon ZREs. I switched to the 57" blue cue from my 53" straight ZRE when I was pushing off logs and the bottom in the Pine Barrens last month.

Now I'm not sure what the blue cue material is, either. I thought it was carbon laid up with tinted epoxy, but the smooth surface and extra 2.1 oz raises questions. Is the weight of the blues greater than the same size Grand Classic because Pat lathered on more epoxy or because he used a fiber other than carbon. Fiberglass would seem an obvious alternative, but that seems like it would add more than 2.1 oz. over a premium carbon layup. Maybe a combo layup of carbon with very light fiberglass over it. I assume all the composite paddles had a foam core.
 
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