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Tales from the wet side call out – “Waterproof bags”

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I filled the 10L dry bag cooler up about half way with water. There is enough material at the top for four fold-overs before the buckles are connected. I was careful to assure that the folds were flat and tight.

As an acid test I set the dry bag upside down between two sawhorses. It began to leak water at a drip per second within minutes.

I have never pinned a gear laden canoe, and the capsize stuff that yard sale floated was always quickly retrieved, but it does make me reconsider my usual dry bag and stuff bag routine. Watershed dry bags are looking better all the time. Or I’ll go back to using an internal kitchen garbage bag in the sleeping bag stuff sack, even inside the coated compression stuff bags.

I’m curious, folks who have pinned dry bags or waterproof containers, or lost them for a lengthy float down river, what leaked, how badly, what didn’t?

Everything of mine has either floated free and been recovered dry, or the half filled hull has been quickly recovered and emptied with everything tied in (or lodged in) still relatively few-drips dry.

I know folks have suffered more extensive gear submersions. heck, I’ve seen the photos.

Do tell.
 
I've pinned a canoe for no more than a minute before we freed it, and flipped a canoe on a couple occasions. 5 gallon buckets with gamma seal lids have leaked every time. They are still handy, but I don't count on any submerged waterproofness. I have a few sea to summit hydraulic dry bags. Expensive for a dry bag, but I've yet to see them leak. The big blue barrels won't take on a drop even if pinned in my experience.

Some of my dumber friends have packed their sleeping bags and tents in regular old rubbermade containers. When they went over, fishing that thing out of the river as it was floating downstream 3/4 full of water was not fun.
 
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WE used a number of different bags NSR, Sealine, but now we are making the switch to MEC's Slogg Deluxe. All have worked well with now breaches of water.
The Slogg is best of the bags IMHO. Its very comfortable on Carries, with a great harness system, but the thing I like most are the handles. There are six on the bag so no matter how it's laying or what position you're in there are 2 or more handles to pick this bag up.

http://www.mec.ca/product/5030-381/...pack/?h=10+50004+50042+50617&f=10+50004+50623
 
Yessss... Dumped bags on Lake Superior.. Gear comes last in rescue. A Canvas bag that is waterlogged is not a pretty sight. Since I double drybag things that must stay "holy dry" nothing was sodden.. Little dry bags inside big dry bag inside pack.

Even if the stuff is dry a pack does hold water and a well made packcloth or canvas one a LOT of water.

That rescue took 15 minutes

Similar on a solo in Temagami. The 45 lb pack turned into an 80 lb block.

Yes that Slogg is way better than a Boundary Pack but Sealine has one similar for almost twice the price on MEC!
 
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5 gallon buckets with gamma seal lids have leaked every time. They are still handy, but I don't count on any submerged waterproofness.

Some of my dumber friends have packed their sleeping bags and tents in regular old rubbermade containers. When they went over, fishing that thing out of the river as it was floating downstream 3/4 full of water was not fun.

While I was in leaky container detection mode I tried another stupid shop experiment, filling any and all various designed “waterproof” containers. Gasketed screw top pails and buckets, blue barrels, pelican boxes.

I didn’t try any more roll top dry bags. Or any Rubbermaid containers. But the results so far have been surprising. Or startling.

I have the last couple of items in upside down leak detection mode and I will already offer this: If you have a container you think is waterproof fill it part way up with water and turn it upside down.

Or, dang, even gasketed containers you are confident are waterproof. Results to follow.
 
Gamma lids should be waterproof. If they are not , its operator error. Either you lost the gasket( very common) or never got a lid with a gasket, or cross threaded it. ( way too easy to do)
 
I've got quite a collection of drybags ranging from an almost antique Baja Bag to brand new sea to summit ones and found that I rarely get a leak. I think the trick is in the rolling, first off most people tend to over-fill them- never more than 2/3rds full, then I fold it once and burp, making sure there are no wrinkles, fold the opposite way, and fold back again (makes a "z"), there should be an inch or two left at the top. Now the water has to get past 3 180degree folds instead of spiralling around and in. when I open the bag I'll turn it upside down and give it a shake to dislodge any drips before opening.
 
I have four Outdoor Research (OR) double seal dry bags. They have an inner roll down and an outer roll down and keep things 100% dry. I just checked their website and they apparently don't make them anymore.
 
On a multi- day AK river rafting trip some years ago, we took some huge soaking waves in rapids over the course of a day...my camera in a new $$$ Pelican dry box, my el-cheapo brother's camera in doubled up plastic baggies inside a nylon gear bag. Guess who's camera got fairly drenched (coulda just been the luck of the draw but both cameras were within a foot of each other all day...)?

Another similar trip, a video camera drenched in another Pelican box, after someone (ahem) forgot to screw back in the pressure relief valve after a hot day... (gear is only as good as the operator!)

My assumption is that you better at least double bag every piece of waterphobic gear and leak test bags at least once a season... Floating is one thing, full submersion for minutes is another deal entirely as far as your pack technology and exposure to damage. (Good thought, Mike to reverse the water test!)
 
On a multi- day AK river rafting trip some years ago, we took some huge soaking waves in rapids over the course of a day...my camera in a new $$$ Pelican dry box, my el-cheapo brother's camera in doubled up plastic baggies inside a nylon gear bag. Guess who's camera got fairly drenched (coulda just been the luck of the draw but both cameras were within a foot of each other all day...)?

I was pleased that my Pelican box proved to be watertight, especially since it was purchased as used military surplus.

But brand new or used my takeaway is that leak testing anything you really depend on to be waterproof is good practice.

I think the trick is in the rolling, first off most people tend to over-fill them- never more than 2/3rds full, then I fold it once and burp, making sure there are no wrinkles, fold the opposite way, and fold back again (makes a "z"), there should be an inch or two left at the top. Now the water has to get past 3 180degree folds instead of spiralling around and in.

I had just finished drying everything out and putting it away when I decided to try that Z foldover method with the 20L dry bag cooler.

It still leaks with the water-in-the-bag test, but it took longer and didn’t leak as fast as with a spiral roll down. Just to be sure I took out the inner stovepipe and gave it the Z top and 5 folds. Still leaks, although again less and more slowly.

My take away is that a Sealline Baja type dry bag will leak no matter what.
 
Mike I think it works differently if the water is in the bag upside down for hours as oppose to in a canoe on a rainy day or bobbing down a river after a dump. There is a bubble of air in the bag holding the water out.
Of course if the canoe is trapped under water it's the same. There is more pressure on the outside.
 
Mike I think it works differently if the water is in the bag upside down for hours as oppose to in a canoe on a rainy day or bobbing down a river after a dump. There is a bubble of air in the bag holding the water out.
Of course if the canoe is trapped under water it's the same. There is more pressure on the outside.

No doubt. I have never had water in one of those simple roll top dry bags from rain or bilge water or even a quick dunk and recovery.

I do like the Z fold, at the least it slowed down the amount of water leaking from the cooler bag. It was still pretty quick, a few minutes to start leaking.

I knew that style “dry” bag wouldn’t keep the wet out in a pin, but I have begun to rethink my gear waterproofing strategy.

I was kinda hoping to hear confessions about what got wet from folks who have pinned boats with their gear tied in (or stuck in, which is often the case).
 
Water. Bags.

My number one rule is that if I take it on the river, it will eventually get wet. I suppose that in the end, there is nothing outside of human skin that water will not eventually penetrate. Water will find its sneaky little way in to the best laid plans of mice and men.

But my crap spends lots of time in and under the water. I test my gear on every trip: day trips, overnighters, two-nighters: I’ve always got something I’m working out and I’m always in the water (especially when the sun is up and the water warm and canoeing is “in yee-haw season”).

I’ve used an assortment of bags through a small insignificant handful of unremarkable years and only had one bag fail catastrophically (a big yellow Mall*Wart bag that failed at the corners of the floor), though I’ve borne witness to countless failures, most of which were probably user error. I find most bags will let you know when they need maintenance or replacement, and a damp sleeping bag is a pretty important clue. My leaky bags become repositories for my dirty shoes or wet tarps and I’ll use them inside my big gear bags to keep other stuff dry and clean.

Big Watershed duffles, that is. Wow. Lots of features that help keep water out. And duffles with big wide openings! I’ll never dig to the bottom of a barrel again. (I am checking out the Westwater Watershed backpack, no duffel and a lot like MEC’s Slogg though without the heavy duty backstraps--the one with the ZipDry closure, not the zipper--only because it fits a particular space in my boat really well. I lash everything very carefully in my boat because of my tendency toward bottom feeding. Alas, it feels a lot like the traditional “bucket bags” in which the very thing you are searching for tunnels to the bottom.

If you’re really looking for time spent in the water experiments, I’d check out what the oar guides use on big rafting trips. Flipping a raft piled with several weeks ‘o gear will certainly force your bags under water and it’s not unusual for the raft to be upsidedown for an hour before they can muscle it to shore and get the requisite dozen people needed to flip it back upright. I watched The Old Man flip an 18’ Cataraft in Pillow Rapid on WV’s Gauley (spectacular, by the way) and, piled with the gear of 8 hardboaters for a few nights on the river, I watched it drag over Volkswagen Rock upsidedown. The bag at the very top of the gear pile (to keep it from being crushing in the middle of the gear pile) ripped completely open. Inside was a nearly brand new banjo. See number one rule at the top.
 
RE: Gamma lids.....I remember reading that you will only get a water tight seal if you apply silicone sealer in the ring before smashing it on the bucket.

RE: Blue barrels....I found that even thought the barrel will not leak, if you load everything in the warm humid valley and don't open it until a day's travel in the high cold mountains, you may expect to see a significant amount of condensation inside the barrel. ;)
 
Steve that has happened to me in even "dry bags" if you have packed anywhere but the desert.. Its annoying to have that happen to your camera in that pristine waterproof dry Pelican box on the floor of your canoe floating on Lake Superior.
 
Steve that has happened to me in even "dry bags" if you have packed anywhere but the desert.. Its annoying to have that happen to your camera in that pristine waterproof dry Pelican box on the floor of your canoe floating on Lake Superior.

Ouch.

At least it wasn't anything expensive when it happened to me.
 
My paddling partner pinned and wrapped his canoe on the East branch of the Penobscot last Fall. Gear in his Seal Line pack and small blue barrel stayed dry. Having packs lashed down in the canoe made it easier for us to un-pin the boat. His pelican camera case floated free and was also recovered without leakage. - K
 
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