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This is the start of a 80k river trip above the arctic two weeks ago. We started at the source of the river at 11.30 pm. We were hunting a pack of pack-rafters who had started 6 hours before us. At 4.30 am. we took to shore and made camp. It was a magical experience with lots of animals up and...

Thank you Jim! Yeah I see what you did with the decks. That way makes sense. It should be pretty easy to shape it once the gunwales are in place. I might abandon my original plan of how to go over the stems in favor of something similar to what you have done. My idea is good in theory and it...

I certainly am overthinking it. Remember this is my first strip build. If I had built as many boats as you have I could probably slap them on, feel like a wood butcher but still be presenting a top notch build and a thing of beauty. I think I've done pretty good thus far, I'm just a bit worried...

It looks really sweet, both do! I love the brass stem band. It might not be ultralight but it sure gives the whole boat a touch of classic elegance and beauty. It should also be stronger than any skid plate. Congratulations!

Hi everyone. I need some more moral support and expert advice on gunwales, again. The last few days I have been dry fitting, eyeballing, planing a little, dry fitted again and again many times. I think I might still be able to take quite a bit away but I thought I would collect some of your...

I just got off the phone with Carrying Place Canoes. The kind woman I spoke with said that although the website is still up, the company is not in business anymore and that they are fully retired. They never digitized canoe plans, at least not for consumer use, so although there might still be...

Hi Walkabout. Welcome to t he forum. This doesn't sound right at all. Have you checked any other measurements to see if they check out? If the midship depth is deeper than spec. then it is possible that your plans has a scaling error. Where did ou get your plans from?

Is it posible to get plans from Carrying place? I've been trying to contat them but without any reply so far. Are they still in business?

Gorilla - Wood Glue, is what I used on my Kite build. I did some testing with different types and the Gorilla Wood Glue was by far the best. The viscosity is suitable, not too thick and not to runny. It has a pretty fast "tack", cleans up well and will not gum up the paper after it has fully...

Hi Memaquay. That is very interresting! I've never seen the Echo in the flesh but I think you might be right. It could be a little longer. Say 14.6' and the sheer could be pulled up 1.5" perhaps a little bit more in the bow. It would make more sense as a T-Formex hull then. And maybe the...

Nitpicking when it comes to canoe models and shape might be the best thing about canoeing. That and of course -actually paddling the nitpicked hull. I hope I'm not making this thread about the Esquif Echo stray too far off course but I think this is very interresting. Comparing models and how...

Hi Glenn. I think I was the one who brought in the idea of travelling in class III water to this discussion. I did say up to easy class III though. So I meant short rapids. I might also add that our system om grading might differ quite a bit. That being said, there are many paddlers that favour...

I see. Well thanks for clearing that up. It seems like the Echo is a nice boat and good looking but with a somewhat narrow area of use. If it's not good in at least class II white water then the choice of T-formex as hull material doesn't feel quite right. A class I boat could be made much...

Hi Art. This boat intrigues me. I'm looking for a river traveller that can handle multi day tripping with light equipment on rocky rivers with up to easy class III whitewater and sometimes up to 15 miles of flat water in between the steeper sections. With the Echo, a spray deck is probably a...

I have thought of this too. It should work to just cut the head of a coutersunk screw and weld it on to a rod. Countersunk is good with the finish washers/countersunk washers because it gives a bit of wiggle room for the washer to lay flat if the gunwale is a little bit tilted or the drill hole...

Do you mean drill the gunwale in the exact inner diameter of the threaded rod and then just peen it against the wood? Edit: You probably meant I could use a washer and peen the rod over that.

Hi big stripper. Thanks for the kind remark on the paint. It does look good. The picture I posted does not show all the little defects and specks of dust but all in all it looks pretty darn amazing, at least that's my opinion. As I sanded the fill coat prior to painting, I burned through to the...

I've got my gunwale stock planed and routed ready to go. I've spent the last few weeks putting on laquer on the inside, 4 layers and also two layers of paint on the outside. It's true that every little bump and mistake will show up with high gloss paint. It doesn't look bad at all though, not to...

Thanks Jim! Yeah I was thinking that too, that if mounting a fixed seat it should be deeper than standard to allow for some weight adjustment. May I ask what's your weight and height? I read about your seats in the canoe seats thread, very good stuff! I want to dimension this right but having...

I will not load this down that much, especially when travelling in faster water. I'm not a WW enthusiast by any means but of course I like the excitement of a class 2. From what I've gathered the Kite/Osprey is the hottest thing with available plans out there, until someone starts selling plans...