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  1. Benson Gray

    Grail of Bail (bailing scoop)

    I also prefer rectangular jugs and stiff plastic for bailing sailing canoes with a flat floor as shown below. It is easy to tie them to the end of the main sheet so they don't get lost. Benson
  2. Benson Gray

    WCHA and Adirondack Canoe Symposium

    I will be there and giving a presentation about the Carleton Canoe Company on Thursday evening. It would be great to see many of you there too. Benson
  3. Benson Gray

    Jokes and Laughter for the Day

    This may not have been intended as a joke. The link below has more details. The "waves, dents and ripples" were probably all there when it left the factory. This is not a boat that is likely to be popular with most of the people in this forum. Benson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanoe
  4. Benson Gray

    Advice on buying canoe with flaking paint

    I agree with Jim that it probably needs the canvas replaced. A water test will usually give you a very quick answer to the condition of the canvas. Another option is to turn the canoe upside down, dump at least one bucket of water all over the outside, and then check the inside for wet spots...
  5. Benson Gray

    Canadian Canoe Museum Moving All Its Canoes to Waterfront

    This is great news and a huge step forward for their project. The information at the link below may interest anyone who has ever considered donating a canoe to a museum like this or wondered about the total costs involved. The short summary is that it takes around $100,000 per canoe to build a...
  6. Benson Gray

    Canoe Art: Paintings, Sketches, Sculpture, Architecture

    I can supply a high resolution scan if you want to arrange with a T-shirt shop to make some. I may also be interested in buying one. Benson
  7. Benson Gray

    Canoe Art: Paintings, Sketches, Sculpture, Architecture

    See figure 5 (b) from The Double-Curve Motive in Northeastern Algonkian Art (Ottowa, 1914) at the link and the image below for more information about the symbol on the end of this canoe. Benson https://wellcomecollection.org/works/swje2h3u/items
  8. Benson Gray

    Seliga for sale

    See https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1000240278012763 for more details. The price seems optimistic. Benson
  9. Benson Gray

    Old Town Discovery Sportsman vs Old Town Next?

    The old store has been converted to office space so will probably never open again, unfortunately. Benson
  10. Benson Gray

    Old Town Discovery Sportsman vs Old Town Next?

    My usual advice in situations like this is to go try each of them out and see which one feels better to you. Bart Hauthaway used to say that "You don't get in and out of small boats, you wear them." Good luck, Benson
  11. Benson Gray

    Anyone Named their boat(s)

    A recent question in the Wooden Boat forum about naming or christening a boat reminded me of the following suggestions that were published in the rec.boats.building news group a long time ago by Marlon MacAllister (Merlin Aleister), a self described Majician and Foole. It was reproduced on the...
  12. Benson Gray

    Identification Help: What Old Town W/FG Canoe Am I Paddling?

    The Old Town canoe with serial number 180086 is 17 foot long Otca model with a keel and a stem band along the full length of the keel. It was built between February and March, 1968. The original exterior paint color was white. It shipped on March 25th, 1968 to San Francisco, California. A scan...
  13. Benson Gray

    Identification Help: What Old Town W/FG Canoe Am I Paddling?

    I may be able to share the build record for this canoe if you can provide the serial number. The information at the link below may help if you aren't sure where to look. Benson https://forums.wcha.org/threads/how-do-i-find-a-serial-number-on-an-old-wooden-canoe-or-boat.791/
  14. Benson Gray

    Identification Help: What Old Town W/FG Canoe Am I Paddling?

    The build record below may be for your canoe. I didn't find any record for a 17 foot Otca that shipped directly to REI in Berkeley but this seems to match the canoe in your picture, including the painter ring. Benson
  15. Benson Gray

    Identification Help: What Old Town W/FG Canoe Am I Paddling?

    My guess would be an Otca based on the height of the ends. See the 1982 catalog page and first link below for a comparison. The 1983 catalog at the second link below shows an $1800 list price for a 17 foot Otca and $1750 for the 16 foot Guide. The natural finish was $62 extra, the painter...
  16. Benson Gray

    Help with a canoe

    Yes, this thwart helps support the mast for sailing as Steve mentioned. The page below from the 1975 Grumman Canoe catalog has more details. This full catalog is available at the link on the bottom if you want additional information. Benson...
  17. Benson Gray

    Antique Courting Canoes

    I believe it too, as shown in the links below with a slightly different spelling, Benson https://forums.wcha.org/threads/social-media-images.15877/#post-81369 https://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/love-boats-the-delightfully-sinful-history-of-canoes/
  18. Benson Gray

    Free Genuine Old Town Rowing Seat

    The 1975 Old Town catalog suggested seven foot spoon oars with this rowing seat but that is really a personal preference. It was designed to be a friction fit so no drilling is required. However, clamps or straps can help since some rapid motions will cause the seat to shift. The straps with...
  19. Benson Gray

    Mad River Canoe - Been Nice to Know You

    Paper canoe catalogs appear to be a thing of the past. Old Town stopped printing paper catalogs in 2019. They had a good run as shown in the link below. Benson http://www.wcha.org/catalogs/old-town/covers/index.html
  20. Benson Gray

    What are you reading?

    See https://wcha.org/Books.htm for a list of books related to wooden canoes, canoe trips, and similar small craft. Benson
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