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So I have patched my Sealine Propack too many times and am ready to pitch it. Naturally, I plan to replace it with a new one. But before I do, do folks have good things to say about blue barrels or some other waterproof port-able canoe luggage? My Sealine holds 115 liters. Anyone know what a blue barrel holds?
 
I have started using a 60 liter blue barrel for carrying food. I have an Ostrom harness and really like the set-up. Barrels can get to swaying with some of the lesser hanesses. I like being able to see what is near the top of the barrel. Tough,waterproof and easily sealed up for the night are other advantages. Full to the top with my food selection of dry items it can be 70 pounds at the start of a longer trip. I like it for the food but still prefer a large capacity soft pack for clothes, bag, pad and tent. It is nice to drop into a canoe with the haness straps on top. Handle straps top and bottom aid in getting it out. You may have to do something if the barrel has room to roll back and forth on the floor of the canoe.
 
Canoe pack from Dan Cooke I have a Ostrom waterproof liner no longer made. You can do the same job with 2 contractor grade trash bags
 
Just last night Matt I was talking with my better half about packs. The same old puzzle : How to reduce the load, and yet increase the comfort. The puzzle remains unsolved in our household, but it makes for interesting disclosures. I was waxing poetic about the blissful joys of having two (approx 70L) canvas packs to play with. I went on (and on and on) about the smell of canvas and the feel of leather blah blah blah. She said " My favourite is still the big SealLine 115L. It's comfortable." I reminded her that we two are actually a tad small for it's size. She didn't care, despite the big load causing her to do a perfect turtle impression last summer, pack-shell down in the mud, legs-arms in the air. Doesn't matter. She swears by that pack, so it looks like it remains part of our gear for the future. She would rather port that 115L pack herself than split the load between two 70L canvas packs. Maybe I should just shut up and be thankful.
Like Marten I want to use my 60L barrel for food (mostly dry), and also kitchen kit. I hope I can get the weight under 70 pounds. It'll be tested this fall. Sorry for the demise of your old dry pack. Figuring out it's replacement is a puzzle.
 
We likewise have a Sealline 115L Pro-pack, and it is my favorite of our large portage dry bags. It is rarely excessively heavy because we use a barrel for food stuffs and cookware.

We have both a 30L and 60L barrel, although we use the 60L exclusively on 4-person family trips. In that guise it is very heavy, enough so that one of my sons gets to tote it. The 60L has a crappy minimalist harness which may account for some of my discomfort and dislike.

On solo trips I use the 30L barrel, even on multi-week trips. On difficult to access ledge sites the 60L barrel is more than I want flopping around on my back while I attempt to scramble uphill. Again, the harness sucks and I’d guess that using a well designed harness on a 60Lbarrel is worth the expense*.

I start off with the odoriferous and attractant food in the 30 and the sealed, no-odor and freeze dried excess in a small dry bag, which I slowly empty into the 30L barrel as space allows. Granted my tripping food is nothing to brag about, but I’ve managed a 22 day trip with just the 30L barrel and a supplementary stash.

Having used a barrel for food storage for the past decade I can’t imagine using anything else. Previously we had used 5 gallon gasket sealed buckets, but the lip on the screw on lid proved rodent nibble-able. Coming back to camp after a day paddle and finding wee shards of chewed plastic scattered under the food bucket happened more than once. And of course dry bagging anything, even cookware with residual food odor, leads to this:



So far, so good; our barrels have never been nibbled or gnawed.

Two things that make a barrel more convenient for my purposes. I have a small minicel wedge glued to the bottom of my tripping canoes that is located to effectively trap the barrel tight against a thwart. Having a barrel weight suddenly shift in the canoe is disconcerting. Plus I can gently drop the barrel into the hull and there it is, exactly in place and held tight.

The other convenience is barrel organization. Ostrom makes (or made?) some cylindrical soft side containers that fit inside barrels for food segregation. They looked cool, but I’m not sure they were more effective or efficient than simply using four stuff bags to separate breakfast, lunch/snacks, dinner and stove/fuel/cookware. The lid diameter of a barrel is smaller than its girth, so stuff bags go in and out and conform to available space better.

After eating I put the next needed meal’s stuff bag on top, so I don’t need to empty the barrel or forage blindly at arm’s length. That works well enough, although in transport the stuff bags still jostle around and change places. The stuff bags are different colors, which would allow me to grab the right one at a glance if I wasn’t colorblind (and forgetful, was breakfast green or orange?. . . . what color was the stove bag?. . . . crap, not that one . . . . )

To alleviate my confusion I have little tags on the ends of the stuff bag drawstrings, labeled “breakfast”, “cookware” etc. The little end tag solution works well enough that I have added similarly labeled tags to the drawstrings on a lot of our tents and other stuff bagged gear. This has been especially effective with tripping truck gear, which tends towards creeping disarray.

http://www.canoetripping.net/forums/forum/gear/miscellaneous/18093-stuff-bag-labels

Most of those label tags are wee rectangles of laminated paper with a hole punch for the drawstring. Those are weightless, but also flimsy enough that I have torn a couple off in rough handling. I’m still searching for the ideal label tag; something small, flexible and re-writable.

Best I’ve found are these:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Flexible-Key-Ring-ID-Tags/19512262

2 inches long x ¾ inch tall, 86 cents for a three pack. I found them in with the fishing gear.

The downside to a hardshell container is that it never gets any smaller as the trip progresses, and I don’t comingle my food odor stuff with other gear, so there is often a lot of void space in the barrel at the end of a trip.

*BTW, barrel harnesses are pricey. Before you toss that battered and patched Pro-line 115L dry bag. . . . .why lookee there, a 30L barrel fits easily inside the 115 bag, with room to spare on the sides and top for other gear that need not be waterproofed. Hmmmmm. . . . .

And of course there’s the convenience of a blue barrel folding tabletop.



That tabletop is secured to the barrel handles via a couple strips of Velcro and folds to fit inside the barrel



I’ve made a lighter version using Coroplast corrugated plastic, but I don’t portage long or far, and usually bring the wood version.



Having a flat, level and cleanable cooking surface located at seated height is hella nice, and I am surprised that there is no lightweight manufactured version of a folding barrel tabletop.
 
We belong to the group of folk that use a non--waterproof pack on the outside, Granite Gear mostly, with gear in dry bags on the inside. I just don't see the point of putting a wet tent inside a dry bag with other, hopefully, dry gear.
For food and stove we use a barrel. We only have cheap harnesses but I have been through them altering the strap system and adding extra handles so they work fine for us. We use the barrel organiser buckets that I make and sell. I find the shakedown the sides can easily be filled with other stuff. I use plastic weed whacker cord in my barrel.organisers to stiffen the lip along withdraw a draw cord opening. We have used flagging tape to label them on group trips. You can write on it with a Sharpie. Mostly though we just go by the colour of the organiser. If you want to get really fancy an outfitter friend uses plastic ear tags intended for cattle.
 
I'm a fan of trad packs and wanigans, I don't like blue barrels never did, and as for big sealine dry bag packs, I'm not a fan of them either, to hight to narrow to sticky!!
 
Considering that the moment I drop gear into my canoe, the clouds race in from all compass points at once, slam together in a frenzied tumultous deluge and fire-hose me until the take-out is in sight, I have an affinity for completely waterproof containers. I just did a trip with a guy who had two blue barrels (60L I think), side-by-each (he's Canadian). A pair of d-rings in each chine and cinch straps kept them in place. He had a harness for one and laid the second sideways across the top on the portages. It looked like a neat system, which is what got me thinking.
 
Matt,

For some barrel dimensions for reference:

60L barrel = 25 inches tall x 15 ½ inches in diameter
30L barrel = 23 ½ inches tall x 12 inches in diameter

(Plus a bit for handles and harnesses)

Again, if I was going to portage a full 60L barrel for any distance I’d want a good harness, or perhaps better a rigid pack frame on which to strap the barrel.
 
I rather like my 60 liter barrel. Its OK with an Ostrom harness. After 3000 meters I do get grouchy. Pack Frame would be handy for the boat. But I dont think I could portage both boat and barrel when full even with a KNU-PAC sort of arrangement. ( Unless its the RapidFIre )
 
Last year was my first with a barrel and I found the 60L surprisingly comfortable to portage with a CCS barrel pack. I actually think I'd rather portage a 70 pound barrel than 70 pound gear pack as the rigid barrel does a proper job of transferring the load down to the hip belt, something the slouchy gear pack isn't so good at.

One thing I did find, thankfully before leaving on the trip, was that when full the bottom edge of the barrel tended to chafe my lower back. The simple solution was to tear a chunk from an old foam sleeping mat and slip it down the waist of my pants in the rear to hold it in position before carrying the barrel. The CCS packs have a pocket in the top flap that was a handy place to carry that little piece of foam; as well as a larger piece of foam that could be used for cushioning when using the barrel as a seat. Once it emptied out a bit, or maybe my skin just toughened up, it wasn't an issue anymore.

Barrel and pack weight need to be taken into consideration if thinking of using it in place of a gear pack. If I remember correctly my 60L barrel plus CCS quad pack weighed about 11 pounds; more than double what a similarly sized gear pack would weigh.

Alan
 
Thanks for indicating the CCS barrel pack.. Dan does thoughtful work. The Ostrom may be more comfortable but insignificant to a new buyer if you cant find one.( its no longer made)

The nice thing about a barrel in the boreal forest ( read difficult to hang in spindly rooted black spruce with no branches for fifty feet up) is that your smaller pests are thwarted and the bigger ones have to work for it..( though there may be way less habituated bears further north...a different discussion topic)
 
My main food pack is a sealine 70 that I slide a plastic kitchen size trash can into. ( I had to cut a few inches off the top) It is a snug fit but there is enough room to put a light grill and cutting board between the pack and trash can. I like having the food pack rigid so it keeps it's shape as you use up your food and it is easier to load and unload. I put this pack in a #4 Duluth along with other items like saw, axe,tarp ect.


The thing I like about this set up is that it is air tight and less likely to attract animals, since I don't hang my packs at night. I have also used the trash can to hold hot water for a sponge bath. It probably held at least ten gallons and I could rinse off away from the lake not contaminating it with soap. I could have washed my clothes in it also had I felt so inclined.
 
We got rid of the 60 litre barrel as it was too heavy when full for either of us to carry. I have a couple of 30 litres instead, one with a harness. They are ok but not awesome. Last year I used my ruck frame and an Alice pack, with the barrel in the bag of the Alice and other items in the outer pockets. THAT worked really good as it held the barrel well and the frame made it much better to carry. I actually prefer packs with external frames for the way they carry. I just need to find another frame like mine and get a harness made up.

I like using the barrel ...makes a good seat/table top and is excellent at keeping the small foraging creatues out. I need to get a pot set/frying pan that will fit inside it though.

Christy
 
Last year I used my ruck frame and an Alice pack, with the barrel in the bag of the Alice and other items in the outer pockets. THAT worked really good as it held the barrel well and the frame made it much better to carry. I actually prefer packs with external frames for the way they carry. I just need to find another frame like mine and get a harness made up.

That was my thought for a more comfortable carry with our 60L.

I rather like my 60 liter barrel. Its OK with an Ostrom harness. After 3000 meters I do get grouchy.

I bought our 60L barrel end of season used from an outfitter and it came with a Kondos Outdoors harness

http://kondosoutdoors.com/products/food-packs/barrel-sling/

I can’t imagine carrying the 60L for a mile and a half with that harness unless there was a chiropractor at the halfway point. Someday I need to try a proper Ostrom or CCS barrel harness. $150 0r $200 for a barrel harness is a bit pricey for a barrel carrier, especially if a simple $50 pack frame would serve as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Mountain-Hauler-Pack-Frame/dp/B000PTOOJY
 
That was my thought for a more comfortable carry with our 60L.



I bought our 60L barrel end of season used from an outfitter and it came with a Kondos Outdoors harness

http://kondosoutdoors.com/products/food-packs/barrel-sling/

I can’t imagine carrying the 60L for a mile and a half with that harness unless there was a chiropractor at the halfway point. Someday I need to try a proper Ostrom or CCS barrel harness. $150 0r $200 for a barrel harness is a bit pricey for a barrel carrier, especially if a simple $50 pack frame would serve as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Mountain-Hauler-Pack-Frame/dp/B000PTOOJY



I think of gear as an investment. A $50 pack frame is a good investment if you use it 50 times. Its lousy if you use it twice.

Sure some of the harnesses are pricey. My Ostrom cost 260. but I have used it a couple of hundred times.
Cost per use matters
I just passed on an Old Town Tripper almost brand new from the '80s as I knew the cost was $425 but I might use it two or three times.

In comparison my WildFire (2700) has been used already 50 times in less than a year.

anyway thats my take.
 
Frost River Timber Cruiser Jr. with Front Portage Pack.JPG All my packs are Frost River waxed canvas....with dry bag liners. I like the look.....but not the weight.... Here is one of the smaller ones with a front portage pack attached.
 
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