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did you go with the GRB Classic? Curious about your decision. I had the Shadow and GRB XL and found them a little too big. I have my next purchase narrowed down to the Classic, Rapidfire or Swift 14.8.

Yes, the seats slide with carbon tubes. I took a look yesterday.

Rivercane - I would take a look at a Hemlock Kestrel (or even a Peregrine). I have a Kestrel and it might be good for your needs. I also have a GRB Classic...which could be worth a look. Had a Magic. It was great...just not special, to me at least.

The sellers told me I have to silicone (they gave me the spray) the tubes every 4-5 hours of paddling. I will look to see what they are made of. The year I raced the Saranac in the 90 miler, the 4 of us had never met in person and we came in first in the over 40 stock C-4 division. We passed...

Yes, sliding seats. I have no idea on your carbon question. I am going up next week and will check things out. As I mentioned, it was set up for racing by serious racers.

I have raced the Saranac (someone else's) in the 90 and we did really well...importantly we had a blast. So just 2 weeks ago I bought a used Saranac from a couple in MA who are serious racers (hold a record for YRQ) and who switched to the GRB Mach 4. I was hoping to use it for the race this...

Hi, I live in Rochester NY and have several canoes. A Savage River Saranac, Jensen 18, the GRB Classic XL, Hemlock Kestrel. A guy in Buffalo passed away (he had about 10 canoes) and his son sold them off. Since the son and I knew each other, he asked me if I wanted to buy the XL and I said...

Hi, I dont know if you are still looking for a solo, but I have a used GRB Classic XL I would be willing to sell. Todd

Yes, I bought a Jensen 18 from Jeff. I will reach out to him. Thank you for the idea!

Looking to buy a used 4 person canoe. Well made and race (recreational) ready. Thank you!

GRB Classic XL for training and a Hemlock Kestrel which is a joy. Recently sold a Northstar Magic and a Placid Shadow...great boats, just weren't for me.

Nice. Congrats. If I didnt have one I would have bought it!

YKNPDLR = That is very helpful. Thank you. By the way, you have responded to my posts (and many others) with very helpful information. So...thank you! It is all much appreciated. Your experience with the 90-miler (I have done it twice) and the YRQ is invaluable.

Thanks! I will check that out.

This is an excellent post.

Going on the websites, it looks like is quite different than the rest. Have you been in their Mach 4?

Thanks. I think I posted this in the wrong place but dont know how to change it. I appreciate the help!

Looking for information on C-4s. I have found that H2O, Wenonah, Savage River, GRB and Northstar makes them. Looking for something lightweight, fast, and ideally without sliding seats (or at least without the need to slide). Anyone willing to share thoughts? Reviews? Preferences?

Thanks! I will check it out! I missed that somehow.

yknpdlr Thank you! I have a GRB XL, Northstar Magic and a Hemlock Kestrel. The Kestrel is my wife's canoe, but I use it when I want. I am selling the Magic (tomorrow I think). I had a Shadow for a year (bought it used and sold it) but I had a hard time dealing with the rocker (I couldn't...