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I'd agree with Steve here. In whitewater, I tie gear into the boat. In flatwater, however, I just tie things to the boat. Tethered, things can be thrown out of the capsized craft (bottom up? Good thing they're tethered, huh!) without loss, and there's lots of room for bailing, or if the...

I started out paddling flatwater lakes in Ontario's Quetico Park in the mid 1960s, then got interested in whitewater sometime in the early 1970s after a short stint trying out canoe marathon racing. That training stuff for racing is a lot of work. Whitewater turned out to be more fun for me. I...

The original post was sucked off into the whitewater nebula, so Glenn asked for a recap for this thread. Here it is plus some extra info that has since trickled forth from the lower rear lobes of the cerebellum to more towards the forefront. My first run in the Grand Canyon was 1990 in a Mad...

Johnny5, Okay, your trip was just before mine a year or maybe two as I went I think July of '90. I was hoping for some info on later rules changes, but someone of our vintage would have to have done a trip within our time frame (I think things changed about 2006, so before then) and then again...

When was your run Johnny5? I borrowed a friend's Whitesell Pyranha a couple times for local river trips back in the '80s and, though it was a well-behaved hull, I didn't purchase one. I ended up with the ME instead. I don't know what differences the Descender might have had. I don't know...

Glenn, I was the only open boater on that run, a private permit, 18 days in the Canyon. Two other kayakers and I were the "scouts" for the rafters along. It was a local Portland, Oregon rafter who had the permit. He'd done the run at least one other time earlier, though I don't think it was on...

My first run in the Grand Canyon was in 1990 paddling a Mad River Kevlar ME. The wind (of course, upriver) was so strong in some sections that, like Glenn upthread, I was sideways on a low brace to the downstream water side, which was "upstream" on the wind side! I was often being blown slowly...

I've run the Jarbidge River into the Bruneau River in Southwestern Idaho a couple times, and camping on it in the lower reaches we've seen fighter jets doing mock battle practice with each other. They're stationed out of Mountain Home Idaho, to the north of there. It's really desolate country...

Don't worry about wicking water and delam problems. I think that's a fallacy. Can anyone attest to it actually happening to them? I've owned many Kevlar boats, beat the crap out of lots (recovering whitewater addict?), and never had a problem with it. This seems to be a hybrid weave on the...

Is that a trolling motor in the stern? < Huge Grin! >

Earl, The first thing I'd recommend is to join a canoe club. Here's one in Hamilton, Ontario: https://iroquois.tripod.com/ICOC/home.html#:~:text=Welcome%20to%20the%20official%20website,of%20outdoor%20activities%20year-round. but that doesn't mean there aren't others closer or better for you...

If anyone is into outdoor fiction, an author I like is a writer from Michigan who died in 2018, leaving some 60+ books behind. Not all are outdoor though. His name is Wes Boyd and he has a Website at: https://www.spearfishlaketales.com where you can read all his works for free, though copies...

I happen to like some of Pierre Berton's works. According to a bibliograpy I saw he did some 50 books on Canada, mostly historical, including some Northern Canada topics. Hey, the guy was born in Whitehorse Yukon, so he's gotta be good, right? It's not canoeing, but his "Arctic Grail" is a...

I just voted in favor of drilling gunnels and attaching fasteners for this boat because Kevlar (or other composite) hulls are often fairly thin in section just under the gunnels. My reasoning is that the lacing could "saw" through the thin material there. If the hull were Royalex or T-formex...

Sure do for me. I couldn't find my Buck Stockman pocket knife one day months ago. I thought maybe I'd lost it in a parking lot when pulling my car keys out of my pocket between stores or something like that. I bought another. Just a couple weeks ago I found it in my garage under a shelf unit. I...

It looks like Kevlar with gelcote crack to me. Not that I'm the know-all, be-all in material recognition. That yellow under the turquoise is a dead giveaway in my opinion. I'd patch just the cracks, not a whole bottom layer for weight savings, though if it keeps happening, a whole football on...

I've been on four of the 17 rivers listed. South Nahanni (twice), the Missouri (twice), the Salmon River (twice), and the Green in Utah (several times). I don't know that I can substitute rivers as I haven't run any of the others listed to compare and can't knock them off because of that. I...

The hull looks a lot line one of Ralph Frese's Canadiennes, but from the gunnel condition, it looks like it's been reworked, which wouldn't surprise me as the wood can rot. Ralph made several different lengths of those boats, and what I remember was a 14-6, a 16, a 17-3, an 18-6, a 20-6, a 26...

I agree with Alan. The sprint canoeists wouldn't do well at all unless some are closet whitewater paddlers (as if they'd have time for that sort of thing with their training schedules), but the whitewater paddlers likely would do very well simply because they know reading the water and how...

Glenn, I've done it with a carbide grit-edge blade in a sabre-saw (handheld thingie that seems to be referred to here in OR as a jig saw, which to me is a bench-type saw, but different strokes as they say). Was gonna do it to another hull, but turned it into a planter instead. Pic attached of...