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I hadn't thought of that. I think I like the middle guy fishing (or snoozing) idea.

I suspect that he could do a more convincing demonstration, but he's gonna have to show a little more boldness. Agree about the Clipper's weight, and its durability. That's a love/hate thing I have going on with my Solitude.

Friend with Hellman say it's holding up fine and he still loves it. If I'm remembering correctly, he's had it for about five years. He goes down rivers that are often boney. He's a good paddler, so I doubt that it gets many hard hits, but I can't imagine that it remains unscathed.

It takes a while for an inexperienced tandem team to get good at making the boat go where they want it. Adding a third single blade would complicate that further. As hard as it is, starting out, to determine how the canoe responds to your strokes with two untrained and unpracticed paddlers...

It's been too long since the last time I saw my friend with the Hellman. I need to get in touch with him and see how that boat's holding up.

Bill should be selling car wax on cable tv. That smacking the sample laying on the flat granite surface is pretty cheesy. I suppose it's convincing to people who aren't tuned into persuasion tricks. And the 303.....OMG. :rolleyes: I'd want to see him stand that rock on edge and drop a loaded...

Another thing about skin coat kevlar.... Kevlar fuzzes when abraded. I very much prefer my non-gelcoated kevlar canoes to have S glass as the outer layer because its more abrasion resistant and adds some stiffness to the hull. That's how my Millbrook Coho is built, and some would say I abuse...

One of the saddest things I've seen was the SR canoe that I assume was epoxy/kevlar like the others. It was stored under cover, but had decades of frequent use. Looked like it would crumble if you touched it, and I would never get in it. It had lots and lots of miles on it, but still..... gave...

If I just have the one long line at hand - which is usually the case - I tie it off to one end of the thwart. Then I do a figure 8 in the line where it will be under the boat and a little ahead of that thwart. Then the whole line passes around the hull, under the other end of the thwart with a...

Cliff's diagram is similar to what I do, but I prefer not to have a carabiner under my hull. A quick figure 8 knotted loop in a short piece of line would be my preference, but I've also just looped the lead on with a bowlin.

Maybe I'm repeating myself again, but I can't think of any reason I would want tumblehome on a recreational tandem. And if I had to have a third adult paddling in the middle, I'd most likely want him using a double blade anyway - so tumblehome would be moot. (Yeah - might as well go nuts)

Waterwalker comes to mind again - twice in one morning. :D

At any rate, Waterwalker is always worth another look.

I think @recped has the answer. That's where I recall seeing it.

I've used a bridle rigged for tracking as demonstrated bi Bill Mason. IMO, on of the first two videos above has the bridle too far forward (carry thwart attachment). The other has the bridle too snug. The third video has the bridle too far back. Just my opinion based on my trial and error...

Agree 100%.

I had to go to Minnesota to see one. :)

@PaddleTime - I really think you should strongly consider Glenn's advice. When I did the Boundary Waters trip with my nephew (both of us in the 160-170 lb range) that Quetico was pretty full. I wouldn't have wanted a third adult in there, and that's with a week's worth of gear for two. There...

A friend of mine has a Hellman Scout. Seems like a very robust layup, and fairly light.

Speaking of the H20, it looks like that Outfitter is a shallow V bottom. If that's the case, it's likely to feel nervous at rest when lightly loaded. Not confidence inspiring to the uninitiated.