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    #16
    We'll see how the velcro works and I'll post back. Likely be spring, though before we paddle enough to really see. We have a great week ahead of low 60s and sunny but we're heading to Pennsylvania and Maryland for a week the day after Christmas. If it's still that nice in 8-10 days we'll try to get some paddling in.

    Best regards to all,


    Lance

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      #17
      Originally posted by LanceR View Post
      Mike, do you have a preference as to what type of minicell to use for padding? I see M, L, and T.......
      I am curious about what the M, L and T mean myself. Where did you find those letter references/any idea what they mean?

      Most of the actual grey minicel I have used seems much the same in terms of rigidity, compression and durability. The exceptions were a half bun of white minicel I bought used, which seems less compressible and more durable than the grey minicel I have typically used, and some 1” thick sheets of red minicel which is just the opposite; much softer, more compressible and sadly not very durable. I have torn the red stuff up with my boot heels. It is cushy comfy when I go barefoot through.

      Originally posted by LanceR View Post
      We'll see how the velcro works and I'll post back.
      The issue may be how to glue the Velcro to the minicel surface. I would at least run a bead of some adhesive sealant, Plumber’s Goop or E-6000, around the perimeter of the Velcro on the minicel to help keep it from pulling free.

      Same for the Velcro on the hull floor. The perimeter bead of adhesive sealant helps keep the edges firmly down, preventing water and grit infiltration underneath. I use a bead of perimeter sealant around everything that sits in bilge wet and grit; vinyl D-ring pads, minicel pads, etc.

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        #18
        I've always glued in kneeling pads in both Royalex and composite canoes. Never had anything special for a dog, but I might consider a suction cup bathtub mat.

        I don't like minicell at all for flat pads in canoes (it's okay if carved into cups). It's too incompressible and slippery when wet. Neoprene (half inch) is less slippery and more cushioned. So is inexpensive Ensolite sleeping pad material, which I've used on many canoes.

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          #19
          I think all the solutions mentioned will work and I fully agree that dogs like secure footing in a canoe. I've always used two kneeling pads butted together...so I get to kneel on one and the dog has plenty of room to stretch out in both directions. For me regular kneeling pads with non-skid backing have worked fine even in Royalex boats. Per Odyssey's question I've found that in a solo canoe if you shove a T-pad rearward so it's a little more under the seat it will stay in place quite well for portaging even if the front sags a bit.
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            #20
            Mike, sorry for the delay in responding. We're visiting our youngest son and his wife near Lancaster, PA and some of our other kids drove in from NY and NJ to visit so things have been hectic to say the least. And as usual, they now want lessons on stuff they grew up around but didn't pay attention to back then. Nancy has been passing on old family recipes and I had to show them a couple of styles of what is now called "artisan bread".....

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            I'm still trying to school myself on the differences between the foams but, here goes....

            Here's some info on Type-T (UV resistant EVA), note the assorted densities from (the more normal?) 2 pounds per cubic foot to 6 pounds per cubic foot.

            https://www.foambymail.com/minicel-t...oam-sheet.html

            https://www.thefoamfactory.com/close...pe-t-foam.html

            https://www.foamorder.com/foam/eva.html


            And info on polyethylene foam:

            https://www.foamorder.com/foam/polyethylene.html

            We're leaving here Monday morning headed to Marriotsville, MD for the night. We have some time to kill so if you're home and can stand some company for a bit I'd love to be able to put a face and voice to the posts you've made. Freeland is right on our route.

            Best regards to all,


            Lance
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              #21
              Originally posted by LanceR View Post
              We're leaving here Monday morning headed to Marriotsville, MD for the night. We have some time to kill so if you're home and can stand some company for a bit I'd love to be able to put a face and voice to the posts you've made. Freeland is right on our route.
              Lance, I have no Monday plans other than to play in the shop, and I’d welcome a visitor or two. I see you have a bun in the oven and will try to run the shop exhaust fan before you arrive.

              Send me a private message on Canoe Tripping with your e-mail address* and I’ll send you my home address, directions and phone number. Four miles and two turns off I-81 just south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

              *I somehow still eff up the CT private message function, and rarely check it.

              Recped, if you are reading this, same for you, re the Dynel sleeve.

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                #22
                Hello Mike

                The PM is sent. No bun in the oven but an American-English Coonhound in tow.....

                Looking forward to meeting you.

                Best regards to all,


                Lance

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mike McCrea View Post

                  Recped, if you are reading this, same for you, re the Dynel sleeve.
                  I'm formulating my response to your reply to my PM, may not get to it until the next decade.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by LanceR View Post
                    No bun in the oven but an American-English Coonhound in tow.....
                    Well damn, that was fun.

                    The shop was a bit overcrowded with boats and gear and 4x8 table for on-going projects, but I got to meet Lance, who I kept wanting to call “Albert” (?), and Nancy, who I kept wanting to call “Nanci”. And Rosie, the cat-butt sniffing Red Tick Hound. Strangers in the shop are sometimes, eh, a thing; a dog is always welcome.

                    In 5 minutes they didn’t feel like strangers, and we had a lively conversation about boats and gear and outfitting and, kinda like threads and discussions here, wandering far flung into all manner of things.

                    I scored a couple of book recommendations; this one will be on inter-library loan as soon as the bedside table diminishes in height.

                    Nature Wars
                    https://www.amazon.com/Nature-Wars-I.../dp/B008IUBA44

                    I did manage to foist off a couple of the way-too-freaking-many minicel cylinders from cutting canoe consoles (the lid on that box almost closes now, and I only dropped a couple small pieces of minicel on Nancy’s head while getting that box down). And, more usefully, a couple of the minicel barrel wedges from the same band saw production line (those are going fast, only 30 left!)

                    They (including Rosie who became fixated on the shop cat door. . . . .Sniff, sniff. . . .smell like cat butt!) were largely nonplussed* by shenanigans, and may have come away with some outfitting and DIY ideas. With their kith and kin and friends around my area I expect I’ll see them again

                    *Nancy was a little “plussed” when I snuck up beside her and said “OK, so you have to tell me if you’re a cop. Right?

                    Nancy, remind me and I’ll turn on the thousands of white twinkle lights on the shop ceiling next time

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                      #25
                      Mike, that was very kind of you to drop what you were doing to visit with us. Thank you!

                      I'm about half surprised that Rosie didn't get her head stuck in the kitty door....she had it in there nearly to her shoulders a few times. She was still whining as we went up the driveway.

                      And Nancy enjoyed the visit, too. At least now she realizes that I'm not the only whack-job around.

                      By the way, I think I left a red Duluth jacket on one of the boats just inside the door. If I did please box it up and let me know how much it weighs and I'll email you a shipping label.

                      We got back home mid-afternoon and had to get right to shopping as we're hosting New Year's dinner tomorrow. While at the local Walmart I just found out that Walmart sent the minical floor mats I ordered to the Auburn, NY store and not the King, NC store.... Even after 2-1/2 years their website can't get it through it's little digital brain that we live in and shop in North Carolina now and not in New York anymore. I had to cancel the order and reorder.....

                      I was a bad boy and you'll have to give me a (gentle?) kick in the rear when we next meet. I had some blocks of smoked cheese for you and forgot all a bout them. Sorry! I'll just have to "take one for the team" and eat them myself. Remind me next time though and I'll smoke more. Or maybe bring some homemade sausage or bacon or back bacon or....

                      Best regards to all and best wishes for a happy and blessed year in 2020.


                      Lance


                      EDIT: Oops! I just found out that the coat is at my nephew's place. He's mailing it back....


                      Last edited by LanceR; 12-31-2019, 08:13 PM.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by LanceR View Post
                        that was very kind of you to drop what you were doing to visit with us.
                        I’m glad I did. The project I was working on became a nightmare of unexpected complexities, and I needed to slow down and walk away “Let’s take a break and think about overcoming this difficulty before I do anything stupid” for the last two days.

                        Sometimes slower is faster, especially when you don’t have to go back and spend twice the time correcting some screw up.

                        Originally posted by LanceR View Post
                        I had some blocks of smoked cheese for you and forgot all a bout them.
                        S’ok, I had the camera out and forgot to take a single photo. Of Rosie; I had a release form and ink pad ready for her paw print.

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                          #27
                          So I am a poler and I applied https://www.prostripe.com/safety-tread/ to the floor and chines of my canoe between the yoke and the kneeling thwart. It is a non-abrasive stick down tape as per the website here. It is great for poling grip but I can't speak for the dog. Any foam down there under foot, even dense form might give too much grip and be a tripping hazard. I know that sounds odd, but you want your feet to grip but not held. Just a thought.

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                            #28
                            The grip tape might help to keep the foam from sliding around, though.

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                              #29
                              Thanks, Steve

                              I just got the EVA foam tiles from Walmart that Mike pointed me to a few days ago. I'll be tinkering with them in the near future.

                              Best regards to all,


                              Lance

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