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    #46
    The Green had wonderful water coming from the side canyons in April. By the end of Sept those sources were dry. You had to get far enough up the canyon so river water was not an issue.. Tons of little waterfalls with cold water.

    The Green does not suffer the ag sources of pollution that the Missouri is notorious for. And has been for years..

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      #47
      Originally posted by yellowcanoe View Post
      The Green had wonderful water coming from the side canyons in April. By the end of Sept those sources were dry. You had to get far enough up the canyon so river water was not an issue.. Tons of little waterfalls with cold water.
      True, in springtime many of the side canyons have water, but other than a few, or after a recent rain, the dependable canyon sources can be a considerable hike away from camp. The little creek at Trin-Alcove and the deep pour over pool at the back of Horse Canyon are close enough to easily fetch water.

      Originally posted by Chip View Post
      You'd have to carry the water back to camp and boats, and perhaps it is easier to just pack it, but you could avoid river water and filter from spring-fed sources.
      Even in springtime the dependable water sources at Anderson Bottom or Water/Shot Canyon are further than lazy me wants to hike to, filter water and hike back carrying full dromedary bags, even if in a (heavy) daypack. On that gentle stretch of the Green unless you are paddling a diminutive canoe or kayak it is easier to carry in all or most of your water needs.

      I paddled with two 10L dromedary bags, and replenished even the half empty one if there was a filterable side source near enough. If there was clear, filterable water a few hundred yards (or a half mile at the Horse pour over pool) away it was worth the effort to hike in and top off.

      I had the shuttle guys drop off a container of water at Mineral Bottom before I expected to arrive at that half way point.

      Good plan; a Tex’s 6.5 gallon container was in the outfitter storage box when I got there and I emptied that outfitter carboy into my dromedaries, canteens and belly before putting the empty container back in the box . I didn’t need their rigid carboy; two 10L dromedaries, a couple of canteens and a sloshing full belly used most of what they left. It was well worth the $5 “rental” fee to have them leave 6 gallons of replenishment water at the halfway point.

      Good plan, but unnecessary; there was a large group at Mineral Bottom waiting for the take out trailer to arrive. They had bocoup gallon milk jugs of unused water and offered them to me before I even found the outfitter drop box. I wouldn’t count on that, but if passing by Mineral Bottom before noon it might be worth getting out and looking thirsty.

      Maybe practice mournfully uttering “Boy I sure wish I had a cold beer right about now”

      Originally posted by yellowcanoe View Post
      The Green does not suffer the ag sources of pollution that the Missouri is notorious for. And has been for years..
      From everything I have heard and read I would not even consider trying to filter the river water on the Missouri. Too many cows and geese and who-know-what ag pollution runoff for my taste, or my filter cartridge.

      The Missouri Breaks was, for a while, on my bucket list. The more trip reports I read and photos I look at the further down the list it falls. I like the low difficulty part about the Missouri Breaks, as a class nothing flowing river to cruise down without much effort (depending on the wind), but photos of the scenery and campsites don’t rock my world. Maybe once, but I doubt it is a trip I would do again.

      Chip, I value your opinion and experiences; I’d like to hear more of your impressions about the Missouri Breaks, scenery, fall conditions, campsites and etc.

      No pun intended but your recent experiences there could make or Missouri break that bucket list inclusion.

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        #48
        Well I might suggest a combo trip as I did. We started with the Green in early to mid May. Wonderful cold trip with lots of hiking and desert flowers .. Just wonderful. ( I realize that you have lollygagged down that river before but as you know no two trips are alike). Then we came home via Montana to do the Upper Missouri between Coal Banks and Kipp Rec area.
        We baked 100 degrees a couple of days.. The shuttle took almost a whole day to set up as we only had one car : with two you could do it easier but its still a dang long shuttle.
        The scenery at the start was quite nice but the cacaphony of breeding geese never ceased during the whole trip and cattle sheeting in the water was not appetizing.. Some of the campsites were nice and others really thick with scrub and also prairie rattlers that hide in the scrub. No doubt there are snakes on the Green but you can see them. The river in May was high and there had been massive floods the year before and what remained was lots of mud. We spent five days on the river. Below Judith Landing there weren't very attractive campsites and the cows were blocking any access up the bank. Steep muddy banks. We did 46 miles the last day and spent four nights on the river. Got to Kipp and found a site there that was not muck though we had to hunt around.
        However the history was very interesting and poking around old homesteads fun.

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          #49
          To parse:

          Originally posted by yellowcanoe View Post
          The shuttle took almost a whole day
          the cacaphony of breeding geese never ceased during the whole trip
          cattle sheeting in the water
          really thick with scrub and also prairie rattlers that hide in the scrub.
          lots of mud
          there weren't very attractive campsites
          the cows were blocking any access up the bank.
          Steep muddy banks.
          Recognizing my penchant for making trips longer by lazing around in a nice campsite for a day or two, sitting quietly and letting the appreciation of a place come to me, that is not encouraging.

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